This is a misery of their own making, men have no hand in that!
I wish it was socially acceptable for men to wear the colorful stuff women do on formal occasions. It’s almost always black, white, grey or maybe dark blue.
I want things like paisley suits to be considered normal. Why not? It’s just a pattern.
I’m not saying it because I want to do it, I’m saying it because I want to see it. Make congress a sea of color rather than a bit here and a bit there.
Congress is already a sea of color: green.
I wish it were acceptable for men to wear bright dresses.
I said that my wife a few months ago, so she said “why don’t you try on some of mine?”
So yeah, I now have few dresses I wear around the house. They’re great. Nice and floaty.
Yeah, dresses are pretty comfortable. I did a couple of things in high school that I guess you could consider drag, except I was playing this old lady character I invented that would ramble on and on about very little in a Harvey Firestein voice because she also chain smoked.
Anyway, I wore dresses for that. They were quite comfy. It would be awesome if a man could wear a formal dress to a formal occasion and not get stares (unless the stares were at that amazing dress he’s wearing).
Dress like Saul Goodman!
My fancy shirts are colorful silk patterns. I got bored of the old traditional formal wear, and I like the attention I get now.
I feel like you can, however it seems men take themselves too serious when dressing well. If you take yourself too serious as a man, wearing for example a pink suit will make you insecure.
So dark, solemn colors are easier to accept.
I wear suits for work and have them dark, but my social suits are light and colorful ( light blue, purple) and regardless I’ll wear fun and colorful shirts with them.
I don’t know that you can in business or political situations. I think if a man showed up to a business meeting or a legislative session wearing a paisley suit, they would get screamed at about not having proper decorum.
well your problem was working for a bunch of uptight jerks. i wish all of you people would stop pandering to dumb shit and just tell the world to fuck off.
How exactly would we get food if we did that?
community alliances. food stamps. being resourceful.
i think we’ve covered how a revolution would work prior to this. surely i’m not the first person to mention community alliances.
you can work towards grinding your life away without meaning or you can work towards something that gives your life meaning. it’s work either way.
I’m pretty sure relying on food stamps and soup kitchens is not a revolution.
And if you’ve ever had to survive that way, you’d know it’s fucking horrible. Especially if you have kids.
So I guess keep wishing because people don’t want to have to resort to that.
MF i live on food stamps NOW and i help maintain food gardens NOW. fucking cowards.
i swear to god you’re one of the worst people on lemmy.
Yea I agree with squid that we should not consider the soup kitchen the place of liberation.
I would say as a guy who has dressed in colorful formal attire when I worked in corporate jobs that you don’t get punished. This meme is like when conservatives say “you can’t say anything anymore”. Obviously you can, and frankly most of the backlash is made up.
As a guy, I definitely don’t give two shits about anyone wearing the same outfit. Heck, I dress like a cartoon character: I buy seven identical shirts, seven identical pants and just wear that until things need replacing.
To an outside observer, it would look like I literally have one outfit that I wear for two months straight. I very rarely switch up a shirt when it’s either too hot or cold, but other than that, I like to keep it really simple.
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No one is interested (or should be interested how many different clothes you have at home). Or how many good friends did you ever make because they have been wearing different cloth every days for two weeks?
Every time my wife worries about not wearing the same thing, I get her to list any outfit the others were wearing last time.
It’s all in your head.
I’ve worn the same dress to pretty much every holiday and family event for at least the past 8 years. I don’t know if anyone thinks it’s weird or wrong. What I do know is that every person I’ve dated within that timeframe has told me that it’s their favorite of my outfits.
And that’s the closest I get to caring what anyone else thinks about it.
We don’t even get multiple outfit options. We get
- a suit
- an innoticably different suit
You can make your own clothes like me (early 50s, married cishet male), then have people question your sexuality and try to hook you up with their guy friends.
I just like dressing the way I want to dress and sometimes I want a burgundy corduroy dress suit or neon trews.
Huge respect to people who can do that. I do like watching some sewing channels on YouTube occasionally as it looks relaxing. But I’m definitely way too busy and clumsy for that. I’d end up sewing two fingers together.
It also looks like an expensive thing, right? Whenever I see someone buying cloth it’s always wildly expensive. Not to mention the other stuff you need to make things properly.
Well, it depends on how you look at the price. Take the corduroy suit, for example. It took 4 meters of material. If I recall correctly, it was about €20/meter, plus the lining for another €40, so €120 in total. Then buttons, thread, and what not, MAYBE €20. I already own all the sewing equipment, so that’s not really a factor after multiple years, but let’s call that €60. Let’s say €200 all in. Then it takes about 12 hours for measuring, cutting, and sewing.
A similar “fast fashion” suit is around €250-300, then it needs to be tailored, so let’s say €350-400. I know what I’m about, so the quality of the handmade suit is better, with more precise and actually finished stitching, properly sewn on buttons, and much higher quality materials. It’ll last for years with proper care, while fast fashion clothing tends to fall apart quite quickly.
So it’s a bit cheaper in materials, a huge investment in time, but it fits perfectly and lasts much longer. Also no sweat shops.
Sounds reasonable if you’re comparing suits for sure. Especially since you can tailor it yourself and no doubt get a better fit than something off the rack.
I’m thinking more general like for example a regular shirt or pants. The jeans I’m wearing cost 35 euros, and I imagine I’d end up spending way more on material alone.
Now that you mentioned that suit twice, I’m just gonna ask: got a pic? I’m picturing something like what the Joker wears, but I imagine your suit is probably a bit less tacky :D
Making your own clothing doesnt usually end up being any cheaper than buying it pre made but you can choose your own materials and tailor the fit yourself.
Its definitely a time thing though but modern sewing machines can cut down on it quite a bit.
A tan suit
reddit post (derogatory)
I would honestly love to own multiple suits, but ultimately as someone that works in tech the only times I ever get to wear a suit is a wedding or a funeral. All my friends are married, so that basically leaves a black/dark suit for weddings.
I don’t think I’ve ever noticed anyone wearing the same outfit multiple times. I couldn’t tell you what any of my coworkers are wearing today, because it’s been over 10 minutes since I looked away from my screen. I’m assuming people do reuse their clothes though. I know I don’t throw them away after wearing them exactly once.
My old boss is an exception - she had a different outfit for every day, and every single one of them looked like it’d taken more consideration to put together than I’ve ever put into clothing. So when she wore the same thing again sometime later, it was noticeable only because you were already conditioned to expect something new every day. Never heard anyone make a comment about repetition though - only compliments about the styles.
I notice when someone wears the same T-shirt multiple times but most people don’t have a million T-shirts. If you wear your Metallica shirt a couple of times a month, cool. You’re a Metallica fan apparently.
Other than that, I don’t notice.
Who cares what hairless monkeys wear, male or female?
Other hairless monkeys, apparently.
To quote the immortal Al Bundy: ‘don’t try to understand women, son. Women understand women, and they HATE them’.
Bullshit - women don’t buy new outfits every day, they own a number of clothes they wear repeatedly and they get along fine. It’s time for this silly complaint to die.
Unsure if pedantic or autistically literal
Or just moronic.
I think most people are missing the point.
For work I wear the same free t-shirt to support “brand awareness” once a week.
It doesn’t matter if it’s man or woman making the statement this is what matters: what sad fucking life are you living to notice what I wear every day?
I had a co-worker, in a different office than me, who had two of the same shirt. She decided to wear only those two shirts to work until somebody said something. A little more than 3 weeks later and someone finally commented on it.
A co-worker from years ago once said “if you’re noticing that I’m wearing the same shirt repeatedly, it’s more your problem than mine.”
Even if we take the premise that woman judge other women for their daily wear for true I would not blame the women.
As far as I can see it’s taught to young girls to judge other people by their daily wear. It’s the system itself that enforces that belief that should be judged IMHO. And again IMHO that is not a gendered issue. This image gets reinforced by men and women alike.
It’s basically classism. It’s what upper class people have done for centuries at parties to identify which family has become poorer. Then this behavior seeped into the middle class through the media. Since gossip rags would judge celebrities based on their outfit. And middle class people copy that behavior to seem more upper class.
As far as I can see it’s taught to young girls to judge other people by their daily wear.
Who is teaching them that?
Shitty magazines like cosmo and teen people for one. All those weird fashion blogs and celebrity media bullshit. Plus all the ethically dubious ways fashion brands market their products to get people to buy more clothes.
Then it’s reinforced by their peers and sometimes family.
Sadly marketing and advertising has steered cultural norms for way longer than it should.
The mothers… Then other girls.
Nature is competition, humans aren’t immune.(Or nearly as evolved as we think we are). Women historically haven’t been allowed physical competition so they found other ways to decide hierarchy.
This gave me a weird reminder of an elementary teacher I had that wore this animal print often (not like leopard print, but actual leopards on it?)
In hindsight, your question is spot on. I was an extremely miserable child to even take note enough to still remember that in a critical way. Not that I’m critical of it now, and I never said it to the teacher or anything. I gave her trouble enough in other ways
I wish I remembered her name now. Poor lady. She was nice
Just in case anyone is wondering how true this is, about 10 years ago, an Australian TV anchor decided to keep wearing the same suit and see how long it took people to notice.
After a year, no one had mentioned it.
That said, I agree with the man’s statement that it would overwhelmingly be women who criticized other women for wearing the same clothes.
an Australian TV anchor decided to keep wearing the same suit and see how long it took people to notice.
There’s a running joke in sitcoms, particularly with B-list characters, where a kid breaks into their house and finds a closet full of the same identical outfit over and over again. I know the Simpsons did it with Principle Skinner. I’m pretty sure Save By The Bell did it with Principle Belding. There was some 80s pod-person movie that used the trope as well.
There’s also a classic joke about groomsmen all dressing the same during a wedding, so if anything happens to the groom you just have the whole crew slide over to the right and keep on trucking.
I vaguely remember some Econ joke about guys being a fungible commodity.
None of these are intended to be complimentary.
it would overwhelmingly be women who criticized other women for wearing the same clothes
Definitely different standards. Although I’ve found this tends to take hold as women get older and start climbing the workforce ladder. You’ll find plenty of college girls (particularly during exam time) who give absolutely zero shits about their appearance. Also, when women are unemployed.
I associate it with cartoons. Bart Simpson has been wearing the same orange shirt and blue shorts for 30 years now. I remember an episode of Doug where you see his closet and it’s like twelve identical sets of white shirt, green sweatervest, tan shorts.
The female characters in the Simosons wear the same clothes all the time as well, now that I think about it.
There’s a running joke in sitcoms, particularly with B-list characters, where a kid breaks into their house and finds a closet full of the same identical outfit over and over again.
More true for cartoons than sitcoms. Rosanne actually fought with the producers on her show to have her characters reuse outfits. She hated how supposedly working class characters on TV somehow never wore the same outfit twice. She even had some pieces of clothing get handed down to the younger actors when the older ones outgrew them. It’s a shame she became a right-wing loon, because she was one of the few people to make a realistic sitcom about working class people (only other one I can think of is Malcolm in the Middle).
It’s really hard to overstate how different Rosanne was when it first aired. They had money problems, they’d yell at their kids sometimes, they weren’t perfect. They were a “normal” family on TV that people could relate to.
It’s also really hard to explain that Roseanne used to be what appeared to be a sane and reasonable person with good ideas.
Not only did they have money problems, but they absolutely affected the family. There wasn’t the “money isn’t really important” message at the end of the episodes so many shows go with. Money’s extremely important - especially when you don’t have it.
Being working-class was hard, and it had an impact in every aspect of their lives.
This, if money isn’t important, it simply means you’ve never been broke.
Or you’re young, dumb and in love.
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia was really careful about this in their earlier seasons.
And played on it in later seasons. I almost cried laughing at the bit where they had a 20 year time jump and Charlie was still wearing the exact same outfit, and they called him on it.
At the same time a local TV personality (Christiane Charrette) has been dressing the same way since at least the 90s and no one cares… She found something that fits her well and adopted it.
Where’s the funny? Ragebait isn’t funny.
The first comment is a bit funny to me since it’s so ridiculous
Ragebait is false, it’s in the name, “bait”. Everything about the guy’s reply is true. You’re just mad a guy said it.
Thanks, that’s a great demonstration of what ragebait is.
Every other opinion is ragebait. What a cop out.
Yep.
you got it wrong im looking for the funny, not the ragebait
Just because you don’t find it funny doesn’t mean it isn’t.
Pointing out silly things other people do, is a huge genre. I don’t find physical humor funny but others do.
Ok, but why does the gender of the criticing person matter?
Because she is moaning about a certain gender’s privilege and the argument is that the limitation that leads to this privilege is entirely inflicted by the presumed limited gender?
But that is not relevant to whether or not it is an issue. I feel like this is implies that the victims are at fault.
The people who make it a problem to wear the same dress twice are at fault. #NotAllWomen #NoMenAtAll
The point is that when the phrase “male privilege” is used, it carries the implication that the patriarchy is responsible. But in this particular case, women have 100% of the power to make the problem go away and men have 0%. Calling it “male privilege” is counterproductive if you actually want to solve the problem rather than just complain about it.
If the victims are the gender without the privilege (as the woman in OP suggests) and the victims are the same group of people who are making individuals in the group feel bad for wearing the same dress twice (as OP suggests) then the victims, as a group, are at fault, it seems to me.
Is an individual woman who wants to wear a dress again at fault? No, but it ain’t a male privilege issue. It’s a culture among women issue.
The woman in OP seems to be going for “this is yet another way the patriarchy is keeping us down” or similar vibe, and although I usually agree with those sorts of assessments and think toxic masculinity is bad for everyone of any gender, this is definitely an own-goal by women.
Insert obi wan kenobi “you have done that yourself” meme here.
Edit: This also assumes I accept the premise put forth by the woman in OP. Based on things I hear (and don’t hear) from my wife and other women in my life, I’m skeptical that the woman in OP is expressing a universal, or even nearly-universal, truth about whether women can wear an outfit twice.
Just because woman are doing it doesnt mean it is not the patriachy, you can support and uphold the patriarchy as a woman.
Very true. And if you can explain how that is true here, I’m happy to hear it. Also please see my edit, which may not change your response. I did add a little more.
