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Only two people in this demographic:
A 71 Hemi Cuda is my dream car, but there is no way I’d have that kitchen
You have to be plumb crazy to own a real cuda, and that kitchen is a plumb crazy qualifier. Come back when you’re ready to fully commit to the complete cuda club experience. Maybe one day…
LOL fuck flippers. Making living expensive for everyone else.
No one did this for a flip. This reads as someone who really likes purple. That floor and countertop cost extra and someone flipping wouldn’t have spent the money on that. A flip would be boring brown or gray with the cheapest materials and crappy workmanship.
Yup, safe colors and cheap materials is key to flipping.
Also their ‘renovations’ usually just need to be taken out or repaired to normal by the buyer as they rarely use proper licensed tradesmen, or check to see if what they’re doing is even sound for the building. I’ve seen a center brick fireplace, clearly holding up the roof, just ripped out and plastered over.
This made my European building standard brain spasm… how could one… that’s outright negligence…
They also built the existing garage into a bedroom only accessible through the back of another bedroom. I get building a hallway is more complicated, but unless you wanna feel like you’re going to Narnia every bedtime, it’s just not gonna be a sell point.
No, that’s outright profit.
My question isn’t their taste, but their budget. How the hell did that kitchen cost $15,000? Even if they had to replace everything I couldn’t see it being more than $5k.
Is the floor also marble?
15k is a very normal price to flip an entire kitchen. Not even counting the appliances. Just the flooring and cabinets.
Yeah it seems like I can’t get anything done for < 6000 anymore. I can’t imagine a whole kitchen costing only 15
If you keep all the existing appliances and build your own cabinets while already having all the requisite tools and do absolutely everything yourself, it’s doable, but tight. Shits expensive these days.
Building your own cabinets will be monumentally more expensive unless you are an experienced cabinet maker with a bunch of tools already.
Lol when was the last time you priced out a kitchen remodel? 5k would maybe get you the cabinets
It was admittedly a while ago, but pre-built cabinets are like $200 a piece so there’s maybe $1500 worth of cabinets there. It’s not a huge kitchen.
Unless these idiots bought custom made cabinets, didn’t bother doing anything to the left of the stove, and then painted them a horrible color.
Those are definitely custom to fit that space and accommodate the sink/hood. Though why there’s such a big stile against the wall left of the range is beyond me. Shit planning and taste.
With custom cabinets they would be able to fill that gap on the left and also use smaller filler for the bottom cabinet left of the range. For pre-fabricated cabinets they usually only have size increments of 3" so you end up with big fillers. The sink area upper cabinets look like a standard size and the hood cabinet is actually wider than the hood so it definitely wasn’t made custom to this hood.
Custom cabinets and they couldn’t even get the top doors to match the bottom
If there was an outlet there, I could see that spot being meant for an appliance like a microwave or something. But I can only see one wall outlet in the entire kitchen.
I don’t think following code was part of their design.
2-3k to paint existing cabinets, new hardware 4-5k epoxy floor and countertops 4-5k new appliances 3-4k left for drywall, paint, lighting, trim, framing, hvac, plumbing, electrical.
She could have gotten more for less but not by much when you are hiring it all out. Doesn’t even look like she touched the tile backsplash, which would be 1-2k more.
I remodel kitchens in the midwest, and we would charge a lot more than that for this size kitchen. She clearly didn’t spend for a designer, though.
Damn, I should get into home improvement. I always did all that myself which is why my estimate was so low.
Plus that doesn’t look like a terribly expensive stove or sink.
2-3K for paint?
You’re getting reamed by your painter if he’s charging you 2-3k for a small room like that.
I think that’s an average professional price for my area, but there’s always a cheaper painter. Spraying cabinets the right way is a big nasty job. Thankfully we don’t do it much anymore.
I finish my own cabinets, so maybe I’m just out of touch. But materials alone is only like a hundred bucks or so, and a company already owns the compressor and paint sprayer. I don’t think I’d pay more than 1k, it better be fucking Van Gogh painting my cabinets for anything over that.
Wanna redo my kitchen for $15k? I’ll hire you right now, and pay half up front.
I would honestly probably take that, but I highly doubt we live in the same area. I’d also practice on my own kitchen first, just to make sure I don’t screw yours up.
Contractors charge a ton these days and it makes no sense to me. I’d hire out the countertops (one drop and I’m out $3k), but the rest would probably take 2 full days of work, plus maybe one or two partial days on either end for planning and cleanup/touchups. With less than half of that being parts (I think $7k is a decent high estimate), that would probably be like $300/hr, a little less if I rent tools instead of buying them.
I think contractors charge so much because work can be hit and miss, but if it’s a side hustle, there’s no reason to charge so much.
You are living in the past.
No, I just do a lot of stuff myself. I could do better than that kitchen for $5,000 with some smart shopping and elbow grease. I redid the floors, bathroom, and kitchen in an 1860s cabin for that much back in 2013
Yes, 2013 is indeed the past. Inflation, shrinkflation, and price gouging has driven prices up and quality down
I’m not old you’re old.
2013 was over a decade ago we’ve went through both a housing crisis and record levels of inflation since then.
Yeah that’s why I can only do the kitchen for five grand and not the whole house
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The most expensive part here is the countertops, which is pretty hard to do on your own, especially if you’re doing stone (super heavy, special tools to cut to size, etc). That alone is probably $3-5k.
The rest is pretty easy to DIY:
- decent laminate flooring that looks like wood - <$1/sq ft; hard wood is $2-4/sq ft - <$500 including any tools, fixes to subfloor, etc
- cabinet doors (assuming you don’t need to replace the whole thing) - $25/door, plus cost of paint/stain (idk, $50? $100 max?); looks like ~$500 for the above kitchen?
- sink, faucet, etc - quite variable, but probably <$500 even for fancier options
So you could probably do <$5k if you’re in the budget range, <$10k for something a bit nicer, assuming you DIY most of it. This doesn’t count appliances and whatnot, which IMO shouldn’t be part of a reno unless you’re specifically planning to change the size of the appliances (e.g. you want an in-set oven, larger fridge, built-in stove, etc).
If you ask a contractor, they’ll probably say $15-30k, and it could go up from there.
This is just some back-of-the-napkin math after some light browsing on Home Depot.
One way I saved a ton of money adding a kitchen was to get cabinets and counters from people who were redoing their kitchen. Got that for the price of hauling it away. I also got 1000 sq ft of solid oak tongue-in-groove flooring for $250 from someone who overbought for their own home improvement project.
Nice!
The more time you take to look, the more deals you can find. If you’re planning to DIY, it’s usually best to do things one-at-a-time so you don’t end up with a half-finished project, but instead have small, attainable goals that can be 100% completed in a short period. For example, don’t redo the countertops, cabinets, and floors at the same time, just complete one completely before moving on. That said, if you’re going to hire someone, do it all at once, you’ll end up paying less overall, though you’ll probably blow your initial budget.
If you don’t pay for the labor and have the time.
IMO, if you don’t have the time, don’t do the reno, unless there’s something really dangerous that needs to go, or you have a lot of money. Having a nicer looking kitchen isn’t worth adding even more debt, and it’s most likely not going to pay for itself when you sell (and why would it? The buyer would factor the reno in to the purchase price).
How the hell did that kitchen cost $15,000?
The floor is also marble. And purple marble.
To be fair it also looks like a photoshop job.
Lol an IKEA kitchen now a bit bigger than that is 10k€ without placement and composite counters and no floor. Prices have over doubled in the past 5 years. + floor and actual stone countertop is easily 15k
We are renovating our entire house and doing everything except pouring concrete slabs and our tile roof ourselves and the kitchen this big + and island is 15k€ at good value places, slightly better places are 25k+ with placement.
5k is an absolute pipe dream. Wholesale materials alone without appliances would be around 9k (assuming decent quality cupboards and real stone)
That assumes you’re starting with new as opposed to reclaimed materials. I saved a bundle by taking someone else’s old kitchen cabinets and reusing them.
But, as I said in another comment, I am an old person who used to buy gas for less than 25¢ per liter and do everything myself so my prices are skewed.
Man, I love me some purple/violet, but this just ain’t it
Although I don’t hate the floor. With something complimentary going on it would actually look good imo
That floor would pair well with an uncontrolled structure fire.
That’s probably fair. I’m not an interior designer.
I LOVE the floor tbh but yeah maybe just like purple highlights on the cabinets instead of the entire thing. It’s giving me circa 2005 decorating my sims 2 home.
15k on what exactly? They just painted the wooden doors of the old units purple.
On the drugs that convinced them to do this.
Seems legit to me. Pretty much any kitchen reno is hard to keep under $10k. It adds up soo fast
I’m in the middle of building new cabinets for my kitchen and I was freaking out over what the wood I’m using costs (about $25 for each 8’x1’ plank) until I priced even the shittiest prebuilt cabinets at Lowe’s. Holy fuck those things are expensive, and they’re just shitty pressboard.
What kind of wood are you buying that’s $25 for 8’x1’? There are hardwood options in the $1.5/foot range, so you must be getting something kind of fancy.
This stuff, definitely not fancy at all - in fact barely acceptable for cabinetry. I don’t know where you’re getting your wood, but you can’t get 12" wide 3/4" planks for anything close to a buck fifty a foot where I live. This is the closest thing to it at Lowe’s, and it’s absolute garbage, full of knots, badly warped and not even an actual foot wide. Even poplar would be more than twice as much for 6’ boards, and oak would be three times as much. The manufactured stuff I listed is at least straight and unwarped and it’s a full 12" wide.
Ah, I was just looking at planks, thinking of something like this. Larger boards would certainly cost more.
And that oak board is only 6’ long…
The wood I linked I’m just using to frame out the cabinets themselves. It would be much too crappy to make the doors out of, although I probably would have considered it if I hadn’t found a full kitchen’s worth of good-quality cabinet doors on Craigslist for $250.
Assuming you get a contractor to do it for you, and most self-respecting contractors should refuse to do this job.
I see no before picture so I assume the marble flooring and countertops. Plus the mosaic backsplash tiling maybe? And it’s entirely possible those are brand new cupboards.
Not sure of that is real marble, but here’s a random PSA anyway:
Don’t put marble anywhere close to anywhere you might spill anything remotely resembling acid. You can literally etch that stuff with OJ.
Oh my god I looked more closely. I think that’s acrylic resin. Ew.
I don’t think Saints Row fans would go that far
But the Los Carnales would!
Personally I like it, but I am well aware that I have tacky taste.
Except for the purple, it is a nice kitchen.
Purple is just the color we see least in nature. That is why it is associated with unfamiliar things like aliens, magic, lovecraftian gods, …
So having it in your house makes you have less of an attraction with it.
Here is the same picture, but just with a different hue:
I’m now convinced they just hue shifted the image for memes.
The black on the marble looks very purple so I’d hazard to say there’s a high chance of that
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They installed full height cabinets under a chase… There’s not enough room under them now.
Now the floor is covered in … brown skids 🫠
The market: 💩
Those cabinets in brown are hideous. I’m not a fan of the purple, either, but at least it has character.
Who’s gonna buy it? Prince?
you might need a time machine for that
Who? The former artist formerly known as?
The cabinets aren’t so bad, paint isn’t difficult. But the floors and countertops. Oof.
See I’m the opposite. The cabinets are an absolute eyesore, but the floor looks awesome. I would love to have a floor like that
It just looks like the snuffleupagus had diarrhea around the place…
Him or a Vikings fan.
Apart from the eyecancer-inducing color scheme - I cannot see any dishwasher.
Well then it’s definitely a deal breaker 😂
(Are dishwashers that common in the states? I’ve lived in 16 houses and never had one, when friends get them installed it’s a celebration, they’re dishwasher owning kind of people now, fancy)
I’ve never been to a house in Norway that didn’t have a dishwasher. Even cabins up in the mountain or old seaside cabins have them installed if they got water access. Where do you live where it isn’t common?
Regional Australia. I know they’re common in new builds, but not the kind of landlord special flips I’ve lived in obviously 😂.
I’ve had one apartment w/o a dishwasher, and that was a 100+ yo house that had been converted into apartments, and the kitchen was super small.
Other than that, every apartment and house has had a dishwasher. Mine actually has two (second is in a basement kitchenette w/ no stove or oven).
We had no dishwasher in our first flat, as we put a washing machine there - it was either that or carrying the laundry up and down several levels.
Wow, a washing machine in the kitchen? That’s really odd…
I feel so privileged having a separate laundry room and a dishwasher in my kitchen. That’s really typical for my area (US), and I’ve only had one apartment that didn’t have laundry hookups in a separate room (in a bathroom or closet).
The bathroom was never intended to host a washing machine, as there were spaces in the basement for that. But I would not want my handicapped wife to have to carry all the laundry up- and downstairs. And we used a machine that was both a washer and dryer in one, The flat was quite small, but as a first place to live on our own, it was fine.
Sounds like our second apartment, which was a huge piece of crap.
I’ve seen movable washing machines and dishwashers than can stay in a closet when not in use, and then wheeled into the kitchen and hooked up to the faucet and drain as needed.
They are common not only in the US. I would not want to miss it - it would seriously degrade my joy in cooking if I had to spend as long on cleaning as on cooking.
Wow, that kind of blows my mind to think about, cleaning is often the longest part of preparing and eating food for me. I hate doing it and I will choose what I’m cooking and how to cook it based on the dishes in prepared food to wash up.
My partner once asked why the carrots I cook are always chipped in a rustic style …because I’m not dirtying a chipping board for a carrot, I fruit ninja that shit.
But I’ve come to find the cleaning up therapeutic, it makes me feel like the process is over, it’s a sense of completion and a job well done.
That said, it’s only therapeutics when it’s my dishes, and I’ve got a clean kitchen. If I’m working around, or expected to deal with someone else’s dishes, I’m having a protein shake for dinner, because I will lose my temper at inanimate object trying to cook in someone else’s mess or having to do 2-3 loads of dishes so I can eat 1 meal.
Very common. Almost every home built in the past 50 years would have one. Not sure about apartments.
They’re only useful for parties imo. Otherwise you put your spatula (or whatever) in the dishwasher and have to wait all week for the dishwasher to fill up with all the other dirty dishes just so you can have your clean spatula back. But yes in the US they are in every kitchen.
A family with kids goes through a lot of dishes.
Ain’t that the truth. The amount and types keep changing as they grow, too.
There are 2 of us in the house and we try to run the dishwasher every day. If you cook your own meals you can easily fill the dishwasher daily.
I’m a single person and my regular sized dishwasher runs 1-2 times a week. I use a lot of bowls while cooking and containers for leftovers and stuff. Pots fill the lower floor up pretty quickly. Pans, knifes and anything wooden I wash by hand. I could live with a smaller dishwasher but then it would run even more frequently. I can’t imagine a life without one.
How big is your dishwasher? I live in a three person household and the machine runs once every day on average.
At least.
I like mini dishwashers, since its generally only one days worth, two st most of dishes. Rinse, put in washer, done and ready to go by the next day!
Why not just handwash the dishes you might ask? Because my roommate will openly judge me!
Why do you even rinse? Let the dishwasher take care of it!
POV: The Dishwasher
This is PhotoShopped, but…
If it were real, the problem isn’t the purple. It’s the white.
Oh shit, I forgot I had flux turned on, so I was like “that’s an old fashioned brown, but not too garish”. There’s a lot of blue in that brown…
I would like my house in dark mode please
Partly. White for the countertops is fine, white on that floor… isn’t.
But the purple is definitely an issue as well, go with browns or pretty much anywhere on the black/white spectrum for cabinets. IF you go with anything else, you really need to be careful with the rest of the kitchen design.
My thought was a teal, light green, light blue or other light and airy color to maintain the whimsy but be less jarring
Yeah, that could work, it would really depend on the shade. I think the light blue in particular could work.
But purple is pretty hard to work with…
Also, there’s no reason to add a white backsplash on a white wall.
Fair. But walls are easy to paint, but the purple cabinets limit your options a bit.
If the cabinets were some normal shade (like dark down or black), something in the tan range could work.
Not everyone loves brown. There are some other decent options. Banana yellow, lime green, navy blue, burgundy etc could all look good on flat, synthetic cabinets. It’s when you’ve got the wood grain and/or beveled cutouts that people gravitate toward natural wood colors.
Oh absolutely. But when you go for something a little more “exotic” like lime green or burgundy, you need to be careful how you coordinate the rest of the kitchen. Basically, you get one exotic color, and then you get everything else to match that.
Brown isn’t necessary, it’s just really safe, so if you’re doing it for someone else (e.g. a flip, or you preparing to sell your own house), it’s a really good option that most people won’t immediately hate.
Corporations are purchasing unprecedented amounts of real estate, but it’s definitely the market that’s keeping this from selling.
NGL the epoxy floor and countertops look sick.
But it’s just way too much purple for a kitchen, or any room reallyI like the countertops… in the picture. The floor looks like I’m back in a mcdonalds in the 90s.
Yeah imo that floor is more of a deal breaker than the overabundance of purple, but then again I am a purple enjoyer (although I prefer my purple to have more blue in it)
I like purple, but in a kitchen it seems like a bad choice. It makes it look like a toy kitchen set, kinda.
And there is some kind of dichotomy about the floors that is off-putting. I love the look, but its like if it can’t decide if it’s trying to be elegant or bold, and it kinda doesn’t pull off either. Like… The fake marble McMansion isn’t a great vibe, but unique natural pattern with bold colors is cool af.
Idk I could see the floor with the cabinets being black maybe with an updated design. If the rest of the house was nice, I’d do it.
Man you had some fancy McDonalds!
But I do agree there is something about this that makes it look like a toy kitchen set.
I know several people who would pick this house just for the kitchen…
Is it wrong that I kinda fuck with it?
If you’re wrong I don’t want to be right
I’m absolutely one of them. It’s a bit wacky, but not non functionally so. My taste leans simple but bold
How did you get introduced to the cast of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?
I guess I fucked one for 7 years? But she never told me she was a reality TV star!
So I’ve spent the last month looking for Houses. Nothing special, nothing extravagant. I came from a 1700sqft ranch with 3 bed, 2 full bath and a car port, small town, sold for about 215, and I got 135 take home after everything was paid off.
I had to expand my budget to 350 up here just to sniff houses that aren’t in absolute disrepair on the inside and would require 50+ in reno, are 1.5 bth, or someone watched a couple episodes of Flippers and did a shittier job of “updating” the inside by putting the same cheap shitty grey vinyl flooring in several rooms.
There was 1 house I really liked, good area, open floor plan and a great basement. Downside was all the first floor carpet needed to be tore up especially since there were large stains in one of the bedrooms and it was poorly installed so was already buckled and loose, and there were cheap vinyl tiles in the foyer and kitchen that showed their wear and had to be removed. Just under 1700sq ft listed at 340 and went over asking the day it hit the market.
Another house, looked move in ready. 1500sq ft, with a half finished basement. Went to look at it…the house is claustrophobic, and the carpet needs to be pulled up also because of the terrible condition. The owners “finished” the basement by putting large vinyl tiles down themselves…which have already buckled and are about an inch off the ground in several places. They have a back patio which is about big enough for a Weber kettle grill and a camp chair. They’re asking 336, claimed they already had an offer when I was looking at it but I noped outta that shit. That was a week ago and it’s still on the market so either they were using BS tactics or the “offer” was for what the house was actually worth and they refused it. It’s also the smallest house in a large neighborhood.
the same cheap shitty grey vinyl flooring
I have never in my life hated a house product more than this shit - and I grew up in the ‘70s surrounded by the fake wood paneling and the nasty shag carpets. I don’t even understand what that flooring is trying to emulate. No real wood is light gray and comes in 6" x 3’ planks.
I’ve been renovating a house since last year that has that shit in the living room and I’ve intentionally left it uncovered the whole time in the hopes of fucking it up so bad that I’m forced to replace it, but unfortunately it is extremely durable.
This one particularly hurt. The house was listed at 350 a couple months ago, the price was reduced 10k, then went off the market, then yesterday was relisted at like 330 and claims “brand new flooring in 3 rooms”. Someone consciously chose this to be installed, thinking it would help sell their already overpriced house.
Like, the salesperson needs to say “this flooring is popular among houses that stay listed for over 3 months and have their prices reduced around 25k”
Yeah, idk why people think “gray, wood-grain” looks good, either go with wood colored laminate (looks great in my sister’s) or something like tile. This floor just calls attention to itself way too much (“look at me, I’m cheap laminate!”), and it doesn’t look good enough for that.
Why did your house sell for 215?
Because that’s what houses in that area were going for on the high end. Cost of living where I am now is redonk
Idk, $350k for a 3 bed isn’t all that high. In my area, houses (and I use that term loosely) start at $400k or so, and a 3-bed would probably be $500k, and I’m not in some posh area either. I’d have to move quite far away to see anything under $400k that was anywhere near worth moving into.
That said, we bought our house for $250k, and it has more than doubled. It’s a 4 bed, 3 bath (2 3/4 baths) with a garage and a decent lot (1/4 acre), so I’m guessing where you lived wasn’t so different from where we bought 10-ish years ago. Houses have just gotten a lot more expensive, and if I moved next door, I’d have to offer at least $600k just to be taken seriously. If I looked anywhere remotely urban, I’d have to double it and drop the lot size.
So $350k is honestly pretty decent price for much of the country, assuming you’re within commute distance of an urban area. And that’s still nuts to me, because I thought $250k for our house was a little high at the time…
