haven’t they determined that most Israeli Jewish folk are genetically just european? like one of their ancestors chose to convert
A reminder:
Palestinians are awesome!
The genocidal regime that rules over Gaza who murder innocent people while blocking Palestinian democracy is NOT AWESOME!
What about all the Palestinians internationally that are currently celebrating that massacre?
Obviously not awesome but easy to explain. I assume that being Palestinian gives them a certain - very one sided perspective on the conflict because they probably perceive Israel as an evil colonialist terror State that has been oppressing and killing them for decades.
Probably the same as all the Jewish and Christian people internationally that celebrate and monetarily and militarily support the Israeli apartheid regime even as they would kill innocents, cut off water and supplies, and kill journalists. ESH.
Palestinian citizens are given supplies by the IDF. I always found accusations of cutting supplies to citizens very uninformed.
People also conveniently ignore that the Palestinians have been getting Israeli and international aid for decades that was supposed to go into building infrastructure like power plants and water treatment facilities. Instead the money went straight into the pockets of the Fatah/PLO and Israel up to this very day has been supplying power and water to Gaza and West Bank. The Palestinian leadership was corrupt as fuck.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/
In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain. Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.
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In Gaza, some 90-95 per cent of the water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption. Israel does not allow water to be transferred from the West Bank to Gaza, and Gaza’s only fresh water resource, the Coastal Aquifer, is insufficient for the needs of the population and is being increasingly depleted by over-extraction and contaminated by sewage and seawater infiltration.
The resulting disparity in access to water between Israelis and Palestinians is truly staggering. Water consumption by Israelis is at least four times that of Palestinians living in the OPT. Palestinians consume on average 73 litres of water a day per person, which is well below the World Health Organization’s (WHO) recommended daily minimum of 100 litres per capita. In many herding communities in the West Bank, the water consumption for thousands of Palestinians is as low as 20 litres per person a day, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). By contrast, an average Israeli consumes approximately 300 litres of water a day.
Try being gay or trans in Gaza. And see how awesome cool 😎 the Palestinians are.
We gay people must provide the palestinians with clean drinking water, and this will change hearts and minds 🏳️⚧️🙆♀️
No it won’t. You’ll be stoned for being gay just the same.
Try being a Palestinian in Gaza and see how awesome and cool Israel is. Being pro gay doesn’t change who’s the oppressor and who is oppressed.
Mass genocide is OK as long as they’re homophobic.
Because oppressing a people makes them more progressive and not less.
If only people could understand the basic concept that hating a government is possible without hating the people living there.
One of my favorite quotes:
If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same. - Marjane SatrapiDifferent situation, same idea.
Exactly. Hamas is a monstrous organization based on the most corrupted religious fundamentalism, but I have nothing but love for the people of Gaza.
Reminder that Hamas is widely supported by most Palestinians
53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people”
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
First of all I really wouldn’t put much weight on the voting results in an area where Hamas uses violence for decades to keep in power. Especially if there isn’t any semblance of a modern democratic state such as regular(!!) elections, freedom of speech and a free press. A 1-2 generation long youth indoctrination like the Nazis did also really doesn’t create an educated and politically mature population.
And of course 53% still leaves a huge amount of people who aren’t in favour. Not to mention that there is a 70+ year long ongoing conflict which has left pretty much no one in Gaza (or Israel for that matter) who doesn’t know someone getting hurt or killed by the opposing side’s actions. It’s hardly surprising that there’s hard feeling (major understatement) in a lot of people.
And lastly we certainly wouldn’t want to use public opinion as justification for killing civilians. That’s the reasoning the likes of Osama bin Laden do to justify shit like 9/11.
TL;DR: This conflict is complicated as hell and basically a self fueling cycle of hatred where even the good side is acting very shitty a lot of times.
maybe it’s not complicated. All groups who fight oppressors have been labelled as violent extremists. so perhaps it’s actually quite simple.
This conflict is anything but simple. Nearly a century of bloody violence by both sides seldom makes for a clear good vs evil conflict. The fact that Hamas still is the worse autocratic despotic ruler when compared to the hardliner wanna be authoritarians of Netanyahu’s party proves that. Fighting back against oppression doesn’t absolve you from the human duty of compassion and when you indiscriminately kill civilians your fight isn’t justice anymore but just another crime against humanity!
Maybe back when the Zionist militants/terrorist first started to wage their war to get their own country one could have pointed at one side as the good one. But since then both sides have committed countless atrocities. The only thing for sure is that neither kids deserve to grow up in such an environment and to be raised to continue the fight for another generation.
Israel claims to be a democracy and also commits genocide.
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Democracy and genocide are separate
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Israel is by definition obviously not committing genocide, the Palestinians population is only going up
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Wow, the anti-Israel propaganda machine snaps into action before the Israeli civilian deaths are even counted. This is just shameful.
Yeah sure… it is not like Israel is operating dedicated social media propaganda… Oh wait they do and love to turn the narrative into themselves being the victims of unfair persecution and claiming any critique to be antisemitism.
Did you mean to link two stories that detail how Israel debunks fabricated anti-Israel propaganda?
Because you just linked two stories that detail how Israel debunks fabricated anti-Israel propaganda.
[Israel] won’t leave negative stories out there online without a response, and we will spread positive messages. …We are putting public diplomacy in the hands of the public. (Linked from your first source)
Around 180 students [are] looking out for false anti-Israel coverage and explaining facts (from the Second Source that you linked)
I guess take my upvote for your support of honest reporting on anti-Israel propaganda.
Are you really that naive?
The propaganda entities are of course saying that they are just “debunking” and reactes to “false coverage”. Their job is to spread propaganda, not to do fact checking.
If you struggle seeing this just reread and replace Israel with China:
China won’t leave negative stories out there online without a response, and we will spread positive messages. …We are putting public diplomacy in the hands of the public.
Around 180 students [are] looking out for false anti-China coverage and explaining facts
Would you really believe this to be the real objective and not to just spread propaganda and drown out criticism? If it was just for facts they wouldn’t need that, as there is enough of neutral or slightly positive towards Israel media outlets all around the world that provide reasonable coverage of Israel. But when you bomb hospitals and schools there is only so much factual positive coverage possible.
Am I the only one suspicious about the timing of this attack? Right on the time Netanyahu is under extreme pressure at home a major war comes out of his ass.
Can’t help but notice everybody loses with this war, except him. He’s the only one that takes advantage of this situation. Not Israel, not Hamas and sure as hell not the Palestinians.
There’s a stench here. Something is not right.
Also on the 50 year anniversary of another attack that happened on a Jewish holiday.
I hate to say this, but sukkot is a tactically advantageous time to attack. It’s celebrated by sleeping under temporary booths with sparse natural cover. If you want to attack, waiting until the people you want to attack are no longer protected by a roof makes sense.
Roofs only marginally help with the rockets. The bunkers in the buildings are where people go when the sirens go off. Shouldn’t be much harder to get to them from your back yard / porch.
A lot of people are away from home though
Is this where Pam from the Office shows up to talk about pictures?
I’ve been awake too long, but isn’t murdering infidels and blowing up thousands of years of culture so you can seize a land promised to you by an invisible omnipotent being that only important powerful people can talk to kind of like the Crusades?
I could be wrong. I’m an illiterate pagan. I find religious expression hugging trees and doing a number of other activities in the nude.
Tbh, the concept doesn’t require a specific religion or even any religion at all to work.
Christians can do that, so can Jews, Muslims, Hindi or any other religion. Or Marxists or Capitalists, Nazis or Brits, Americans or Russians.
In general, large organisations (countries, companies, religions, …) that want to gain money/power through violence usually pick a random ideology or motive to do so, because it helps to justify the act and thus motivates soldiers/fighters and potential recruits.
But the justification is never the actual reason. The reason is to increase money and power.
Im seing a bunch of things about israel right now, im out of the loop on this. Can somebody fill me in on what (if anything) happened?
Hamas launched a whole bunch of rockets at Israeli civilians and killed many. Israel declared war as a result. Situation still ongoing
Dude, it’s a fucking ground invasion. They are murdering civilians in their homes and kidnapping Israeli citizens into the Gaza strip
Invasion is a bit over the top. It is a few thousand fighters with no chance to reconquer any territory. It is an incursion at best.
It’s still more monstrous that anything Isreal have done…, and boy oh boy they’ve done things.
I’ve seen way too many photos and videos in the past day. I’ve seen a women got shot in her car from the outside. Her baby was executed on the back seat. Mind you, the religion they believe in absolutely prohibits this.
I’ve seen the video of the Israeli soldiers lifeless bodies getting beaten and limbs getting cut off. I’ve seen soldier bodies getting loaded on to jeeps, pickups or even a guy carrying a body with a scooter.
I saw the video of an Israeli woman taken hostage, with her crotch are having blood(?) stains.
I’ve seen the pictures of women that were taken hostage and their relatives looking for them in Facebook. (Technically, Islam don’t prohibit female hostages to be used as sex slaves, but I might be wrong on that).
I even saw the German girl they’ve murdered, strip and carry the body around with a pickup.
On the other side, the worst thing Israelis did were to strip down and reverse hand cuffed bunch of Hamas people. Also numbering them with paint.
Both sides are bad but holy fuck, seeing what Hamas have done in the course of a single day…, Isrealis look like they’re good guys (which they definitely aren’t, btw).
I looked for footage and i have seen none of these. Also saying the worst Israel did was handcuff some people is full of bullshit, when there is videos of them bombing hospitals and NGOs like MFS reporting their doctors killed. Oh and of course there is the constant killing of Palestinians over the years, like the murder of a journalist last year.
“special operation”
An invasion is a military offensive of combatants of one geopolitical entity, usually in large numbers, entering territory controlled by another similar entity, generally with the objective of either: conquering; liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory; forcing the partition of a country; altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government; or a combination thereof.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion
Neither can Hamas field large numbers, nor is Israel a similiar entity, as it is an established nation state with a well armed military, nor is the goal to conquer or establish authority over the areas attacked. The only criterium that is fullfilled is the “gaining concessions” part.
And comparing this to the russian invasion of Ukraine is just silly. Or did i miss the videos of kilometre long convoys driving onto Jerusalem, and hundreds of aircrafts launching from Gaza? I’ve seen some videos of guys in a motorized paraglider. But you dont want to really consider that equal to a fighter jet or attack helicopter do you?
Hamas launched a bunch of rockets from Gaza in a surprise attack on a holy day and then put ground fores in. This attack killed at least 100 Israeli civilians (Israel is also claiming near 1000 more injured) and has captured more.
Israel is of course going to retaliate and try and destroy the sites (surrounded by civilians since Hamas is known to try and use sensitive civilian locations as shields) and probably occupy Gaza in an effort to keep these rocket attacks from happening. Which will cause more Palestinian casualties, thus the cycle continues.
Israeli already killed more than 200 civillians in Gaza including bombing a hospital killing at least one international MFS medic.
To be fair, they were very open about intentions to bomb Gazza from the first moment war was declared. PM called for civilians to evacuate to city.
PM called for civilians to evacuate to city.
Yeah that is utter bullshit from him! He knows very well that the people have nowhere to go! The Gaza strip is one of the most densely populated places on the planet. Israel controls the majority of the border and all of the sea. So those routes are closed. And you can bet your ass that Egypt won’t allow 2 million Refugees passing their small part of the border.
Anyone who states that the civilians of the Gaza strip can just “leave the city” are either very uninformed or lying.
I mean seriously, just open Google maps and look at it. The area is very thin, 5-12km from the border to the sea and pretty much all city. And you can also bet that Israel for certain won’t allow refugees to hide in the open area in front of the border.
Egypt won’t allow 2 million Refugees passing their small part of the border.
Turkey hosts 10+ million, what’s stopping Egypt here? They also openly support Palestine afaik.
Expecting Egypt to act is more realistic than expecting Israel to return fire.
Egypt and a lot of neighbouring countries talk a lot how they “support” Palestine but all of them really don’t come through.
Egypt certainly doesn’t want them self to get into the same problem Lebanon is facing with just half a million Palestinian refugees.
and evacuate to where? Gaza is an open air prison with a population density of 6000 people/km2. The densely populated western european countries have about 300-500
Religions suck. They’re the root of all problems.
Interesting take after about a century of World Wars, Cold War and other global conflicts that where mostly not about religion at all.
They aren’t the root, but they’re a strong enabler
A lot of the times they are precisely the root
Are they the root, or are they a justification? Seems like a pretty reductive take, to be honest.
Wars have been occurring for a long time, and generally a desire for resources (including control over people) is a leading cause. Religion is an easy thing to use to get people to lay their lives on the line for you if they already have that belief. Equally it’s an easy scapegoat for anti-religious people to blame wars on as well.
This conflict isn’t just about religion. If it was then Israel’s neighbours probably would have got involved as well.
I don’t think so. The religions are an easy way to legitimate wars but they are not the first reason for them. (And look at Buddhism. They found a way to a healthy lifestyle. ~Fake News. I didn’t know what happend in Myanmar and Burma for example.)
And look at Buddhism. They found a way to a healthy lifestyle.
Unfortunately even Buddhist aren’t perfect. Just look what’s going on in Burma/Myanmar.
But regardless it’s correct that Religion often is used as a tool for parties to gain and exercise political power.
Yeah, i should have left that part out. Sorry.
No worries, it’s a something I think a lot of people don’t know so it’s good to talk about.
In this case it literally is the cause. Israel was founded on this land because of the religious ties to this exact place.
Ok, I didn’t know that.
Lemmy’s flooded with anti-palestinian-occupation propaganda today.
Please keep it up.
Probably American Redditors that can’t see past any of the narratives they’ve been force fed
Calling the Israel govt “genocidal” is not fair or accurate. Israel has had military superiority over Gaza every day since it was captured in 1967. If they were genocidal, they could’ve slaughtered all the people in Gaza at any time. Instead, the population of Gaza has doubled since 1967. If you want to know what a real genocidal regime looks like, imagine the situation were reversed and Hamas had overwhelming military superiority over Israel. Imagine Hamas had tanks, F-16s, F-35s, and Apache helicopters. What would happen? The genocide would start immediately. Hamas would be slaughtering civilians en masse. No restraint. No negotiations. True Genocide.
Before you ask, I’m not Jewish and I’m not defending Israeli atrocities. I just think this is an extremely simplistic and unfair characterization of Israel.
