Israel is a terrorist state. Attacking humanitarian workers is terrorist behavior.
Isreal: One of the foreign aid workers was Hamas!
Rational people: that sounds far fetched. Do you have any proof?
Isreal: Asking that question is antisemitic!
Also rational people: Israel could well be lying. But also Hamas could well have chosen to hide amongst aids workers.
The ability to tell which of these is true from the distance we’re sat went out the window long ago.
The guy was delivering food to a starving population. The occupation could have captured him since they have a military presence and control in the area.
They were not delivering food, but it was a WCK car. There were people unrelated to WCK with them at the time. Ultimately this comes down to whether or not one believes Israel. What Israel and WCK say is not contradictory, WCK just says they didn’t know if the person participated in the Oct 7 terror attacks or not. Israel says they did. If you maraude around another country stabbing women and children any car you get in in the future is liable to get a rocket through the roof. It’s not on Israel to risk its soldiers apprehending someone like that. Cowardly of that particular person to seek to hide amongst civilians. That’s if Israel is to be believed.
Ah yes, beleive a state that is on trial in both the courts in The Hague (war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide).
Isn’t that the point of a trial? To review evidence rather than have come to a judgment already?
Israel showed the UN the evidence it had that UNWRA members had taken part in the Oct 7 terror attacks and as a result the UN agreed and fired those membersUN press release
All I’m saying is since we know some hid amongst UNWRA members then I would not be surprised if some hid amongst WCK as well…
Can you admit all these things may be true at the same time: Israel committing war crimes AND exaggerating claims AND Hamas are hiding amongst WCF and other civilian groups?
A trail does review evidence whereas here we just had a summary execution.
Your link to them UN press release says this:
“OIOS was not able to independently authenticate information used by Israel to support the allegations.”
Also, is one terrorist worth killing 3 other innocent people?
Yeah, if your end goal is to depopulate the whole region so you can steal the rest of the land you haven’t stolen yet.
Yes, but when a person can’t defend himself because he was killed, it’s not the killer who gets the benefit of the doubt. Israel knows he was hamas? How about they show us the evidence that was enough to kill him and everyone around him.
What kind of evidence would actually be convincing? I’ve seen photos, call transcripts and surveillance footage released in the past as justifications for various things. All are dismissed as fake or exaggerated. Or, in other cases apparently just ignored.
That’s the problem in a conflict like this as far away as it is. The truth died long ago. Whether one wants to see Hamas as the real psychopaths or Israel as the real psychopaths, any and all evidence presented so far by both sides can be twisted to suit whichever worldview the reader wants to have.
I boil it down to this, Israel has more than enough reasons to be lying and exaggerating: there are extremist factions in Israel who ideologically want to possess the land and they’ll commit genocide to achieve it. Israel had military hegemony in the area, and especially with American backing, and so can count on being able to kill and squeeze Palestinian civilians in plain view until their goals are achieved. I get it.
But also, Hamas had more than enough reasons to also be lying. They are religious extremists who want to kill all Jews at any cost routinely hide among civilians and fire weapons from civilian areas. The West lost its collective mind over terror attacks by several dozen Islamic extremists. Israel has ~30,000 members of Hamas’s genocidal terror brigades sitting on their doorstep. It’s a different scale of threat than what the West has ever dealt with.
You’re totally missing who the genocidal religious fanatics actually are.
No they are not. This is gaslight at best and out right zionest propaganda at worse. Nothing they said has any real world meaning and is used to muddy the line between “acceptable collateral damage” and outright genicide. Dude is an outright zionest and will be seen as such in every historical depiction of current times as a pro genicide individual.
There are genocidal religious fanatics on both sides. Israel just has the capacity to carry it out.
I really don’t get this whole “Israel is evil so we can’t say anything bad about Hamas” schtick that’s going around.
Israel are killing civilians on a gross scale and must stop. But if anyone thinks Hamas aren’t ideologically committed to killing as many Jews as possible no matter where they find them, then they have they head in the sand.
Why do people not seem to be able to cope with the fact that just because Israel are doing evil it doesn’t make Hamas the good guys??
No one is saying Hamas are the good guys, but one said it’s definitely using their existence as an excuse to kill millions. Kinda like the Nazie’s did to Jewish freedom fighters in Poland. What’s the difference? Were Jewish partisan Fighters fighting in Germany and Poland terrorists? Were Native Americans who raided settlements on their ancestral lands terrorists? How about Nat Turner? Queen Boudica? Violence is abhorrent no matter what form it takes but the one’s capable of doing the most violence and do so should always be seen as the evil. You can’t expect millions of people to simply die without a portion of them also choosing violence. It’s all disgusting. But you are missing the forest from the trees. There’s no reason for Isreal to be killing other than their own personal gains. The first thing they need to do to end the cycle is to stop themselves or to be stopped. The elimination of Hamas won’t stop the genicide. Just as Running Bull, Nat Turner, and yes even Hamas failed to do.
Hamas wasn’t created in a vacuum. Grow up dude.
Oh you’re just a zionest and pro genicide.
That is as unreasonable as me saying you’re pro-Hamas.
No no, terrorists would also do things like bomb hospitals or run over civilians with a bulldozer
Your judgement is so harsh… It’s not like they are also siegeing, starving and genociding a population
I remember the last time Israel bombed WCK and said “we squinted real hard and it looked like there was Hamas on board”.
Because those employees were white there was an investigation. It turned out there was no armed person in the vehicle.
AP continues to put those lies in the headlines.
The title is factually correct. Remember, AP and Reuters are to report news, without taking sides. And the state of Israel claims that one of the passengers was participating in the 7th of October. Whether that’s true is another story.
The title is factually correct but there is no reason to put Israeli claims in the headline unless they want to be sure everyone ingests their lies.
What’s the point of quoting genocidal liars in the headline? Fair and balanced? Imperial news is a doozy.
Nothing like quoting genocidal liars every time they kills someone. The good ol “reliable” news.
Yeah, I don’t really care to be honest. These are obvious justifications after the fact. Even if true, it’s a drop in the bucket. Flimsy excuses and in no way comparable to the level of destruction and genocide currently directed at millions of innocent Palestinians. 😢
Hey, does that guy look like a terrorist?
The one in the middle? Yeah, kinda!
Right then, blast him and his friends. They’re probably terrorists too!
He looks like the terrorist we killed last week
We’ve killed that guy ten times!
It’s the idfs mo
And again, the media is just accepting the logic that just because one of the people is an accused terrorist (which I doubt is the case anyway), it makes it ok to kill everyone around them.
Even your framing is giving Israel to much credit. Suppose everyone in that car was 100% a terrorist involved in the 10/7 attack.
You still do not get to target them while they are actively distributing humanitarian aid. Particularly if said distribution has been specifically coordinated with you (I haven’t seen specific reporting about this one, but in general the WCK deconflicts their movements with the IDF, for obvious reasons).
When even the official Israeli story is unconscionable, I don’t understand why we are even having a conversation about “if” they are committing war crimes
Yeah, agreed. The war in terror has normalised just assassinating people without any due process, we don’t even stop to think how messed up that is.
If you don’t want to be murder, you should just make sure no criminals are ever around you. Don’t go to places like the grocery store where you’re surrounded by strangers unless you want be killed. /s
Accused terrorist is just another word for innocent
Did they also say that one of the big pots they were using for cooking was actually a camouflaged Hamas Control center? Because that’s about as believable…
Israel lying about information on a Hamas member to bomb a random civilian vehicle? Totally believable.
A Hamas member hiding as a staff member of World Central Kitchen and getting found out? Also totally believable.
Reminder that Israel considers every member of government in Gaza to be a Hamas militant. From the doctors to the trash collectors.
TBH I’m pretty sure the zios just want their genocide and don’t care at all about who’s actually a resistance fighter. They just say that stuff about hummus for the imperial news to recycle.
Oh look all the bodies are between 15 and 60. Well that’s all enemy fighters. Where have I heard that one before?
Stares at an ex-president who likes to paint.
Edit to add for context; they learned this trick from us. And that pisses me off.
Not to come across as a total pedant or anything, but are you saying that because Israel has killed a lot of civilians or are you saying that because Israel has actually said that?
They’ve literally bombed hospitals and told the world the target was a doctor who was the head of the hospital system. They bomb aid convoys and call the armed guards Hamas. They hit first responders and call them Hamas.
They’re pretty transparently just calling anyone who got a government paycheck a Hamas fighter.
Not even worth engaging with the obvious wUdAbOuT troll. Ty for doin it but fuuuck mute block delete, or speak past them and to those reading instead.
I’m bored, I reply to this thread while my dog is trying to find a place to poop. And if I can expose this for even one person it’s worth it to me.
I get that Israel is terrible enough to make this stuff up. But have you considered that Hamas is terrible enough for this to actually be true?
For the head of their hospital system to be … What? Do you think he’s directing an entire hospital system by day and launching rockets by night? The man never slept?
And blowing up the hospital to get him instead of hitting him elsewhere?
Without any actual evidence all you’re doing here is justifying war crimes.
It’s very difficult to talk about this kind of thing without sounding like one is taking sides. So let me make this clear first: Israel is committing war crimes, there should be a ceasefire in Gaza immediately, and humanitarian aid should be supplied under international protection.
Ok?
Now, just because Israel is committing war crimes doesn’t mean Hamas aren’t doing what Israel accuses them of. Is that an ok observation to make around here?
They are a nihilistic extremist Islamic organisation that many other extreme Islamic groups want nothing to do with. They engage in guerilla fighting, a prominent tactic of which is hiding amongst the regular civilian population. Do I have proof Hamas fires rockets from residential back yards? Personally, no. But would it surprise me? Also no. Have Hamas taken up day time ‘civvie’ jobs in aid agencies? Apparently yes. Would it surprise me if it turned out they coordinated with a hospital boss to use the space? It would not surprise me in the least.
Is bombing a hospital ok? No, of course not.
Is Hamas’ guerilla network completely independent of Gaza civilian life? Only someone who has no idea how guerrilla forces work would think so.
Does that make the deaths of civilians and children ok? No, of course not.
Why are trying not to take sides?
The one side is commiting genocide against the other!
There is very VERY clear wrong and right side here.
Yeah I don’t think anyone needs a primer on Hamas possibly doing bad things. We’ve spent the last 2 decades fighting insurgencies. Chiming in every time Israel makes a claim with, “but it could be true this time!” without evidence is bad faith.
If you’re not “taking sides” during a genocide, then you’re choosing genocide.
What date was this article published?
It happened again
Fucking savages
Guess multiple rounds are cheaper than a single round from a sniper
