Germany's Greens would deliver Taurus missiles – DW – 11/17/2024
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Germany’s Economy Minister Robert Habeck, who is currently the Green Party’s chancellor candidate in the upcoming elections, said that if elected, he would send Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has repeatedly asked his allies for long-range weapons so that the Ukrainian military can attack Russian logistics centers and military bases far behind the front line and within Russian territory.

But until now, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has chosen not to supply Taurus cruise missiles, saying they could enable Ukraine to also hit targets in the Russian capital Moscow.

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Meanwhile, French President Emmanuel Macron reacted to the Russian air barrage on Ukraine, saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin “does not want peace and is not ready to negotiate.”

“It’s clear that President Putin intends to intensify the fighting,” Macron said.

He made the remarks as he prepared to leave Argentina to attend the G20 Summit in Brazil.

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The French president, however, said Ukraine’s allies “must remain united … on an agenda for genuine peace, that is to say, a peace that does not mean Ukraine’s surrender.”

Macron highlighted that his country’s priority was to “equip, support and help Ukraine to resist.”

  • superkretEnglish
    252·
    5 hours ago

    It’s kind of ironic and pretty bitter. The Greens were founded by environmentalists and pacifists.
    Their slogan was “never again war, never again genocide”

    And both times they were part of a government coalition, they immediately had to decide on an active involvement in a European war (Yugoslavia and Ukraine).
    Cause in both wars, “never again war, never again genocide” wasn’t an option.
    They had to chose one, and they chose to get involved in the war to stop a genocide.

    • gajustempusEnglish
      9·
      3 hours ago

      Pacifism doesn’t mean you cannot defend yourself or surrender against an attacker.

      And that’s the whole point here: Ukraine isn’t waging a war, they’re defending against an invasion.

      • superkretEnglish
        37·
        2 hours ago

        But pacifism does usually mean you don’t join a war where you aren’t attacked yourself.
        Which is the situation the German Greens are in.

        Yes, Ukraine is legitimately, directly, currently defending itself.
        Germany isn’t.

        • gajustempusEnglish
          5·
          2 hours ago

          So helping someone who is being attacked and supporting them is “joining the war”?

          • superkretEnglish
            13·
            56 minutes ago

            Yes, of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be?

            • tobogganablaze@lemmus.orgEnglish
              4·
              53 minutes ago

              So if you eat at a restaurant, is the chef joining you for dinner because they’re supplying you with food?

    • RedPandaRaiderEnglish
      24·
      2 hours ago

      Comparing Yugoslavia to Ukraine is not a good comparison. The involvement in the Balkan war was an absolute disaster and the point where the Green party of Germany turned to shit. They didn’t become advocates for defending yourself, they’re not doing it for the sake of the countries that are being invaded or suffering from war crimes. They’re doing it because they became outright transatlantic puppets.