I remember when I had my clearance, we were told anything we worked on was classified for a minimum of like 75 years, unless it was declassified earlier. I remember because they told is if we were 18, we could potentially legally talk about our work at the age of 93, assuming the classification wasn’t extended.
Anyway, part of that briefing was the outlining of consequences should we leak any classified information. We were told if the information we leaked resulted in the death of an intelligence officer anywhere in the world, we could and likely would be tried for treason. And the punishment for treason during a time of war (Global War on Terror, amiright) could be death.
So… He’ll be charged with treason like any of us plebs would have been, right? Right?!
Wouldn’t it be great if Trump had to follow the same laws as normal people. He’s a complete traitor to the country.
At this point, I’d settle for even a subset of the same laws. It is somehow none of the laws.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he also trespassed the laws of physics. Luckily this is unlikely
It he could, he would. He thinks laws are for little people. Unimportant people. Not him.
They were probably blustering about the treason thing.
Because “treason” was specifically abused by Britain, the US Constitution puts specific requirements on the crime of treason. In particular, there have to be two independent eyewitnesses to the treasonous act. Meanwhile, the Espionage Act has no such prosecutorial burden, and the penalties are just as severe…
It’s been a while since I had it, so you may be right. Though, I do remember they were very specific it would only meet treason if it resulted in an intelligence officers death, but I don’t remember under what Act or law they were interpreting from.
It’s all the same… Only the names are are changed
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they will probably make an exception for him because he’s a Very Good Businessman. just think about what he may have gotten in exchange for the list of spies. perhaps some compliments from putin, maybe even a pat on the back.
He probably got to avoid having sex tapes released. Epstein was probably working with multiple intelligence agencies. The Russians probably just paid the most for those videos.
sources:
"On 7/31/2019 Trump has a private meeting with Putin.
On 8/3/2019, just 3 days after his private meeting with Putin, Trump issues a request for a list of top US spies.
-By 2021 the CIA reports an unusually high number of their agents are being captured and/or being .murdered.
-During the search executed at Mar A Lago the FBI find more documents with lists of US informants on them.
for everyone: even if you don’t read these give them a few clicks for the algorithm
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And keep in mind, all of this is what we know publicly. Imagine all we don’t.
Thanks I’m panicking now! 🫠
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This is why he needs to face a fireing squad not prison.
Make it a pay per view and you’ll raise more money than the federal debt. We’ll watch from all over the world.
also, Trump is a rapist.
src for those who are too lazy to Google: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000
you posted a non-Summarized PDF for people who are too lazy to Google?
It’s a result that you might get if you were searching for this kind of thing. So posting it here saves the step of having to search.
Correlation does not indicate causation.
Though in this case, I think it does. It really does.
You mean post hoc ergo propter hoc.
And the argument here isn’t logical, it’s heuristic.
Please explain what this means? The rhetoric concepts I mean, not the subject matter
Post hoc ergo propter hoc means “after this therefore because of this”. The name of the fallacy is the claim the arguer is making, that because one event happened soon after another event, it was caused by the earlier event. A common example is that deciduous trees lose their leaves after it gets cold, so they lose their leaves because it gets cold. The actual reason is complex and has little to do with temperature. It’s partly that day lengths get shorter and the leaves no longer can absorb enough energy to match their costs.
It is similar to correlation doesn’t equal causation, but is more specific that it has to do with two events that happen at similar times, which is specifically called out in the tweet.
That the argument is heuristic and not logical is that logic has a pretty limited use - where you can reasonably agree on premises to make a specific type of argument that relies on how that argument is constructed. Heuristics rely on probability, what’s the most likely outcome given a set of preceding causes, or what are the most likely causes given a following event. For example most problems in my line of work are from loose connections, so it’s the first thing I look for when something is going wrong. You can’t say “because I see this event it is logically this cause” but you can say “When I’ve seen this event before 80% of the time it was cause A, 15% of the time it was cause B, and 5% of the time it was cause C. So I’ll check them in order of likelihood”
So the tweet isn’t making a logical claim. They’re saying it’s unlikely that Trump talked to Putin about informants, requested the list of informants, had a list of informants in an unsecured place, but somehow wasn’t related to those informants being compromised.
EDIT: Also Wikipedia has a better explanation of pheph: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Many thanks!
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I’m not surprised that Trump has obviously committed high treason. That has been blindingly obvious since that Helsinki meet.
I’m surprised that he did it in a way that didn’t leave a trail of evidence leading him to being executed.
There are multiple trails of evidence to multiple treasons. Unfortunately the country is ridden with Repubs shielding him from justice. Repubs hate America since it is not yet a Christofascist dictatorship.
It’s like the Republicans saw the efforts made by scientology and were like: Wait a minute?
I don’t think its so much that he didn’t leave a trail as it is that he cronyized the institutions meant to hold him accountable.
The treason here would be in the moral sense, not the legal sense. He was President at the time he handed over the lists, and the secrecy of these lists derive from the power of the executive in the first place. He could hand out whatever classified documents he wanted to anyone, and it’s 100% legal. Even without the Supreme Court recently expanding the “official acts” coverage, this would be easily covered.
Congress could have impeached him for it, but we all know how that would go. Voters rejecting him is the only real remedy.
He did not have the right to keep those docs at Mar-a-lago, however.
The media should be giving this far more attention than they ever gave to Hillary’s emails.
I’m not quite sure that President is above the law until impeached, and that’s what I see in your message
Then you read it wrong. This is a place where it really isn’t illegal when the President does it, because the President is allowed to simply choose what is classified in the first place.
Shouldn’t the president first choose to declassify then? Or is it ok for the president to choose ad-hoc to declassify for someone specifically without even informing anyone else?
Should? Perhaps. An awful lot of powers of the President should be scaled back.
I’m not sure this one can without big changes to the system.
When the raid that killed Bin Laden was announced, Obama simply decided to do that. The operation was classified right up to the moment Obama sent that message.
BuT rUsSiA iS nOt An EnEmY!!1
Just Treason things.
As a little treat.
Makes me wonder how far gone our intelligence community is. These are some of their own and they’ve done nothing to slow the spread of authoritarian bullshit. Ten bucks says they want an autocracy because there is some power they think they can weild that they think will give them complete control.
takes off tin foil hat
Wtf how did this get here? Damn aplphabets.
I think its most likely that these orgs have factions competing for power and personal advantage,some people are going to think Trump is going to further their interests, others not so much. Some real ghouls probably recognize that Trump only wants power for himself which is a threat to their power.
I’m not an expert though, I just had a very interesting conversation with a civilian Air Force consultant, who said that his org wasn’t very factional, but was very hierarchical. He was worried about very regressive figures coming to power because it affected the whole org, saying that the military had to stay cutting edge or we would face defeat, and hardcore conservative ideologues, or people like Trump who only care about their own wealth and status, tend to resist advancements and new methods.
Lol, maybe the guys at the top. But the career people were unofficially pretty vocal about not liking him.
The question is hasn’t anyone in the CIA have the “need” to make Trump stop breathing? They don’t need much to “remove from the equation” other presidents from other countries.
yet he walks. there is more behind him than we are allowed to see
We could power a clean future by attaching a turbine to Tom Clancy’s corpse.
And this is just one amongst hundreds of scandals of similar severity
