• mlg@lemmy.world
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    The people who will be most happy to have it would be the wiimmfi team and the devs running pokemon classic network.

    They can finally see what the implementation of gen 5 ranked battles and game sync was, instead of having to reverse engineer it all.

    Everyone else is probably only interested in asset data, Nintendo switch 2, or finding exploits for homebrew lol.

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    I am seeing a lot of negative comments on here and while I agree the franchise has grown stale I can also say the personal emails of employees being leaked is shit and shouldn’t happen. Nintendo had to have their day and it came and here we are but it sucks employees are at the butt of the leak.

    Also as a fan I welcome competition and games like PalWorld but the classic Pokemon games hold true to my heart and some of these leaks are really dn cool while others set a concerning precedent for what data companies leave laying around and for how long.

    For those of you that are interested there are some really interesting things to come out of this for fans.

    Source code to games sucks in one manner but gives modders and ROM hackers the opportunity to do many things. It is tools like this Nintendo should have just embraced providing or should allow the community to have community versions to do what they want with it after 25+ years. Maybe it would he less intriguing if those tools were open sourced and the may hidden items were just openly shared. There would be less incentive to steal if they innovated on tools or left old ones to the past to be what they are. However, likewise, legally it is their IP to do with what they want.

    Source code is one but straight up editing tools for how they created e-card code for e-card readers. 3DS Dev Kits and Pokemon Beta games sets a whole other wheel in motion and gives players real power to do what will absolutely hurt Nintendo’s bottom line and that is develop. That has to be a real wake up call to Nintendo.

    Seeing leaks about the anime, movies, and future games is a bummer to me and I don’t want any part of that. I would rather those stay a mystery so I can be ready to play them and even if you don’t like Pokemon or Nintendo that is fine some of us hate Nintendo and like Pokemon because it was there for us as a child when your parents are going through a divorce. (TMI I know) point there is stuff adult me loves seeing because kid me would never have thought some of this would shed so much light on Nintendo’s development and scrapped ideas and processes. While Nintendo should and very much will take action on their IP. I really think if they want to learn from this they will tackle damages on upcoming films, shows, and games. Instead of being embarrassed by old stuff they should just say, “fuck it” and embrace the community doing with it what they want. We are talking about 20 year old data in some cases and tools most people have already debugged, replicated, and deciphered.

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    I mean, people have already created the majority of their good games from scratch so…

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      Hobbyists have made Pokemon clones in their basement for decades. They never needed the source code.

      If I’m not mistaken, there’s an entire online RPG ran by hobbyists.

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        They literally never introduce any new concepts to their games I think the last new innovation in the pokemon game is supposed to allow you to have two vs two. That was about 10 years ago I think

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          I’m so so sorry to do this to you. Double battles were introduced with Ruby and Sapphire… 22 years ago…

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          I like to shit on Pokemon and Nintendo as much as the rest of them but this isn’t really true. Legends: Arceus, while not a great pokemon game overall, introduced several new mechanics, some of which then made their way into Scarlet/Violet. The biggest and best of which, in my opinion, is the ability to catch wild pokemon without battling them.

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        Maybe this was an intentional leak. Now the Nintendo lawyers can claim they’ve used stolen proprietary code?

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          Copyright of code doesn’t work that way. Now if some idiot goes and uses that code in a game, yeah, they’d have a rough time in court.

          If Nintendo thought there was infringement already, and wanted to prove it in court, there are means to securely prove it with redactions and NDA’s and so forth as it would be considered trade secret.

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    Good. Couldn’t have happened to a worse company other than Nintendo.

    Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.

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      Nintendo aren’t the worst company. Not even the worst gaming company. Not when they have competition like Ubisoft and Warner Brothers and EA and Activision.

      Of course, if it weren’t for the presence of the aforementioned companies, Nintendo would be the worst.

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        I mean they take like 33% of that guy named bowser’s life earnings. Which are severely reduced because they also got him thrown in jail for a felony.

        That’s pretty uniquely evil

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          I don’t know why people defend Gary Bowser like he is an innocent dude. He was part of a Hacker Group that hacked Nintendo Switch, 3DS, GameCube, NES Classic, Xbox and Xbox 360, PlayStation. They SOLD the hacked device’s. He wasn’t your Neighbor that hacked your Switch for a beer. They made Business with it for 10 years. Besides that, Nintendo wasn’t the Person who decided the sentence. It was a Judge. What do you think Nintendo should do? The Judge ruled him for Prison and 14.5 Million and Nintendo says publicly: “No thanks.” Yeah the sentence is way to hard, but the problem is the law and the Judge.

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          That’s hardly unique when damages exceed what a person can pay, wage garnishing is actually relatively common.

          Nintendo also gave Gary Bowser a warning and he signed an agreement saying he would stop his illegal activities… and then he continued anyway.

          They gave him an out at no cost and instead he landed himself in prison because he fucked around and found out.

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            I agree that bowser brought the final outcome on himself, however, that does not expunge Nintendo of guilt.

            They continue to collect their 30% or however much it is.

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      Source code is only for HG/SS and B2W2, so we still can’t verify anything about the newer genes

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      Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.

      Wasn’t it true, but due to time not technical issues. Basically they keep redoing/remaking from scratch sprites instead of re-using them.

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        Nah, some folks got a hold of the wire frames for the sprites from the that version and the previous version and showed most were identical. Of those that weren’t, many were only slightly modified, and clearly not generated from scratch.

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        Nope. The models have stayed the same from X&Y to Sword and Shield. Only in Scarlet and Violet have they been given an upgrade.

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        Evidence wouldn’t be as concrete as source code, but there was plenty of evidence from data miners. Gamefreak kept moving goal posts when it came to why it wasn’t feasible for Sword and Shield to have all the Pokémon which is my frustration with that situation. I think they complained about the capacity of the cartridge the games were stored on was one, which was readily proven wrong. Dont quote me on that. But I do think the situation with the models was ultimately the case.

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    Next headline “Hackers disappointed that the hacked source code is apparently just the same as the last 16 games”

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      You can’t patent code, and it’s automatically copyright protected. Nintendo just needs to prove they wrote the code originally, which should be easy.

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        You can patent the features that the code makes up.

        Also, Nintendo has patented features existing in other games long before, and it hasn’t stopped them. The current lawsuit against palworld contains patent claims for features they do not actually own, which is why they need 100 different lawsuits coming their way so they get a taste of their own medicine.

        They have an easy time suing one or two entities, but 100 different ones will have a significant economic impact.

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      Which is exactly why I stopped playing after Gen 2, which was the peak of the series IMO. If you want to see everything the series has to offer, just play Gold/Silver (or their remakes on the DS). No reason to waste time and money on any other Pokémon game.

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      Sort of. The same game, over and over, each time in a different colour, each time with a higher pixel density, each time a little bit worse.

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    In my head this is a retribution for financing hackers that attacked Internet Archive and nobody can convince me otherwise

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      This is a conspiracy theory I’m completely behind. With all the moves Nintendo has made recently this was the first thing I thought when Internet Archive was compromised

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        It’s like Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit… And, uh… You know, you’ll, uh… You know what I mean.

        The Dude

        „Who benefits the most” from attacking Internet Archive? Big copyright holders whose content was distributed via Internet Archive. The reason given by the group claiming responsibility is so silly I don’t believe it.

        [edit] I’ll add to this comment so that I don’t have to reply to everyone specifically.

        I don’t believe that if you wanted to attack USA (as people claiming responsibility did) you’d attack it in a way that benefits big corporations most. It sounds like a flimsy distraction from true perpetrators.

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          For those curious, this account on Xitter claimed responsibility. Their stated reasons are indeed ridiculous, but I don’t at all have a hard time believing that people can be that misguided.

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              A documented source has shown up and its already been dismissed it as “silly”. Unlikely any future sources would change their mind.

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                There’s motive and circumstances. Nintendo opened every possible front in the last year or so. Now this happens. Even if not related to IA specifically this definitely looks like retribution.

                Also, please read my first comment again. I think I made it clear it’s speculation.

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                  please read my first comment again. I think I made it clear it’s speculation.

                  Interesting, I got quite the opposite impression. And no one can convince me otherwise.

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                  … nobody can convince me otherwise

                  Ignorance isn’t something to be proud of.

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          You can believe what you want, but there’s absolutely no way you would be correct. Any large company sponsoring a cyber attack, if caught, would be nailed to the wall and made an example of. The extreme risks are simply not worth the comparatively small reward of reducing a tiny fraction of piracy.

          A more realistic and reasonable avenue would have been to sponsor the companies going after IA for copyright infringement as a result of them loaning out unlimited digital copies of books without DRM.

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            This is a very valid point, yet companies do shady stuff all the time and some even get caught via subpoenas and such. Nintendo can do it in a way that will never be noticeable on their books for sure.

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      That’s probably something a person who has no clue about Pokemon could say. You underestimate how many mechanics older games contain, since like half of them are not obvious for casual players. Although I am not sure about gens newer than IV (Diamond and Pearl is the most recent I’ve played), since I haven’t played them. But most people agree that the best games were around that period (Gen IV, or V), and they only become worse over the years.

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    Also design documents like the dude that mated with an octillery lol. The concept of people and pokemon breeding was still referenced in sinoh, but in a way tamer way.