It’s bizarre that libs got mad at her either now or in the first place. I’ve heard this bizarre take of “Voting is not an endorsement!” plenty of times on here, and it just means that the person believes in unconditionally supporting the Dems while assuaging their conscience by sending thoughts and prayers to alter reality. Publically saying that you’ll vote for someone is an endorsement. It doesn’t matter what thoughts you hold on your head unless those thoughts actually impact material reality in some way.
Boomer centrists know what a search engine is, but since Chappell Roan didn’t endorse, and voting isn’t good enough, so they’re like “Who? I never heard of her! She must not be very important if she doesn’t agree with me 100% on my terms!”
Centrists can’t imagine people being frustrated with their decades of obstruction and sliding to the right.
Good… but also I have no idea who that is 👴
I know of Chappell Roan because she’s recently been ruffling people’s feathers by asserting boundaries against fans’ parasocial weirdness; I’ve never heard any of her music, but this alone is enough to make me a fan.
She makes decent lesbian focused pop music. It’s fun to sing
Her music is infectious. Think 80’s Madonna if she were progressive, very lesbian, and even sadder and somehow more vengeful than Alanis Morissette
that’s a hell of an endorsement; enough that i went and listened. not my thing. but overall seems chill.
Did you listen to Good Luck Babe? https://youtu.be/1RKqOmSkGgM
thanks for that, but i am only more confused
45 million monthly listeners on Spotify. That is 10 million more than The Beatles right now. 60th overall on the top list of plays just above Michael Jackson. Half the amount of TSwift
So they are a well known artist.
Oh, did the new Beatles album drop?
I mean, using these spotify metrics in comparison with all time greats is kinda flawed.
For example my band sold just as many tickets as Michael Jackson and the Beatles COMBINED in 2024.
I am not in a band.
This is why I used Spotify listeners and not plays or ticket sales or album sales. It’s a metric that doesn’t really require a band to be currently active. New hits will clearly improve the metric but we’re talking here specifically about a person’s outreach today and influence on a voting population.
The idea that more individual people listened to her music than had a single Beatles song in their playlist or a single Michael Jackson song in their playlist is pretty insane. I know I listen to at least one Beatles song a month, it doesn’t matter if it is new.
Still, not as many people listen to older bands even if they are fans and especially for older bands people tend to listen more in other mediums
Take any videoclip from YouTube for example of any of the greatest song that is a 3, 4, 5 decades old and it will have far less views than a mild reggaeton hit from last summer, even if the old song has had far longer to accumulate views
Reminds me of when I asked who Bad Bunny was
Reminds me of when I asked who Pooborg Sea Cucumber was
You made that name up
I thought that’s what we were doing
All names are made up.
The only thing I know about Bad Bunny is someone responded to you about Happy Gilmore 2. Idk I’m out of all the loops so this chapel person is a non entity for me, unless one of my niblings mentions them.
The only thing I know about Bad Bunny is that they… It? Is going to be in Happy Gilmore 2. I learned that a week ago, and this is as far as I’ve gotten. That’s more than I know about Chappell Roan, but I approve their message.
Oh thanks, NPR is really good at dumbing down pop music for me.
Here’s her NPR Tiny Desk Concert
Edit: her music video for ‘Hot To Go’ shot in her Missouri hometown https://youtu.be/xaPNR-_Cfn0
And for the Elton fans, her cover of ‘Your Song’ https://youtu.be/wslno0wDSFQ
Did anyone actually watch the video? She’s upset that neither side represent what she deems acceptable.
She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day. Where we are is the result of influence from corporate stooges since Reagan. It’s come to a boiling point and I understand her frustration. A vote for Harris is a vote for steering the ship towards what she deems is acceptable, but that ship sails slower than a lot people can understand.
Are you significantly older than Chappell Roan? Because I’m imagining you’re the one who doesn’t understand something.
She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day.
I’m old and I’m still waiting for the government to be fixed.
We keep breaking it by voting for Republicans every now and then.
If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed.
California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country.
In what way is CA doing ‘pretty damn good’…?
You live under a rock or something?
Exactly: Even if they ran everything they’d do stupid shit.
“Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit.”
What a stupid philosophy. Like all “bothsides” bullshit.
She’s been getting a lot of hate for not endorsing Harris and people fail to realize the difference between endorsing and voting. Her entire point is that the government can’t be fixed in a day. Voting for Harris is the obvious choice but her being in office isn’t going to magically solve all our problems.
Except, by definition, she is endorsing Harris by publicly supporting her candidacy. Endorse doesn’t mean you agree with everything they stand for, but if you are publicly saying who you are voting for, that’s an endorsement.
A: this isn’t really an endorsement, more than it is an acknowledgement of how fucked the options are. If you’d like to know the difference, go look at what Swifts endorsement looked like
B: she wasn’t even going to say who she was voting for, but libs decided to harass her until she did
example: I use windows for work but i’m sure as fuck not going to recommend it to other people. Saying that i’m forced to use windows for work is not an endorsement. I’d go so far as to say that in this context it’s more of a complaint or indictment than a endorsement.
She is telling the world that she thinks Harris is the best choice to vote for in this election. It’s 100% an endorsement. Literally by definition. People seem to be confusing endorsing someone to marrying yourself to all of their views.
The problem is she’s trying to bring nuance to a bumper sticker platform.
She’s not that young, she’s been doing music for a decade and working service jobs till now. And you can understand something and still feel it is unacceptable.
She’s 26. That’s fairly young for a voter. Not really sure what her cv has to do with being considered old.
Service industry work can build wisdom.
Idk about wisdom but I can attest to a speedy loss in faith of the human population.
Some would say that can be the same thing.
You’re so young that you think doing something for a decade is a long time.
Doing anything for a decade is a long time. That’s 1/7th of an American’s life span and 1/8th of a developed humans life span.
UN life expectancy at birth in USA: 79.30 years
UN life expectancy at birth in EU: 81.50 years
UN life expectancy at birth in Hong Kong (world #1): 85.51 years
Doing something for a decade IS a long time, but that isn’t your point. She has plenty experience in singing and being a pop star. She is still young. 26 is young.
It doesn’t mean you should dismiss their opinion about everything, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. She seems to be fixated on perfect and missing the march toward good.
I agree with the core of what you’re saying except I disagree that she “doesn’t understand” how slowly politics works. I think her decision to vote for Harris anyway speaks to that kind of understanding, else she’d endorse a third-party candidate/write-in in a poor attempt to speed-run democracy.
Kamala isn’t in the correct direction at all though. The democratic party serves to delay progress in favor of the Republican party. There’s a reason they lie so much and confuse and refuse to address issues progressive voters want to address. It’s not gonna get better unless people stop voting for the same “lesser evil” presented to them and pushed to them in the media.
It’s not going to get better under Trump either, and your ballot has more choices than President on it. I’m sure you volunteered for local progressive campaigns, right?
In the American elections you can definitely vote in.
Yeah I get it. I was young once and I’ve even had to have the bitter realization that even Revolution neither happens in a day nor resolves anything quickly. I ask for the passion of the young to hold hands with the wisdom of us older folks. It’s easy to demand sudden change, and important too, but building bases of power are important.
Vote for Kamala then hold her feet to the fire. Vote in every primary. Discuss what you think with people around you when it comes up, I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work. Build the support and make those maga losers afraid to show their faces.
And entertainers can do so much. Cobain got people who wouldn’t otherwise thinking of homophobia as uncool for example
I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work.
Ugh, train people are the worst. WE GET IT, YOU LIKE TRAINS.
Edit: I genuinely thought this was a typo and they meant “pro-trans.” But maybe they actually did mean “trains.”
I’m not cis passing enough to be openly talking trans issues at work. Nah I talk public transit. Shit like replacing air travel with high speed rail.
If it makes it better I’m also annoying about other infrastructure. Dams are excellent
“I just woke up to, like, people just skewing it even more,” Roan said of the reaction to her no endorsement post of Tuesday. “Endorsing and voting are completely different. I don’t agree with a lot of what is going on with, like, policies. Like, obviously, fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.”
“I’m not gonna settle for what the options are that are in front of me, and you are not gonna make me feel bad for that,” Roan added today with a critique of both candidates and their positions, “So yeah, I’m voting for fucking Kamala, but I’m not settling for what has been offered, because that’s questionable.”
Fucking spot on.
fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.
That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. Hell, even if you do run you’ll probably end up making decisions you’re not happy with. Nothing is going to be perfect, that’s not the world we live in.
Also what policies? Like what’s the point of feigning a moral stand if you don’t define it? If she has legitimate grievances with the Democrats or leftist politics (yes pedants, I know they’re different and I’m saying “or” to include both, not to conflate them), then she should voice them. Otherwise she’s saying nothing but playing into the bs “both sides” false narrative that enormously benefits the right.
I think she is absolute right and within her rights to be critical and unenthusiastic about the Democratic options, but without actually offering critique then what is her weak centrist take accomplishing?
fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.
That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says.
So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?
Maybe I’m just not picking up what you’re putting down, but that’s how your comment scans to me.
So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?
Know your audience.
I live in San Francisco. We’re not voting for Trump. I feel perfectly fine discussing the merits and drawbacks of different Dem candidates with people around me.
When you’re up against a legitimate fascist threat? Close. Fucking. Ranks. There’s no place for infighting when the margins are this close.
Genocide to the left of me, genocide to the right…… here I am stuck in the middle with you….
So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?
Of course not. That’s helping Trump win. You have to overwhelmingly support everything the party does at all times, especially the stuff you disagree with.
I’ve literally never heard anything even remotely close to this. Can you point me to someone who has said something that would make this an even remotely fair assessment?
Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left.
PS It has just occurred to me that you’re being sarcastic. Please disregard lol
She’s not really pointing out any nuance though, she’s just vaguely saying “both sides suck, but this one sucks slightly less”. At that point, why even bother with a public announcement at all? Plenty of celebrities don’t endorse anyone and no one care because they’re not out making press releases about it.
Did you not watch the video? She explicitly mentions transphobia and genocide. And she made that video because a quote of hers was taken out of context (much like you’re doing) and people were saying her not endorsing Kamala meant she supports Trump.
I can say that there are views that Harris has that I think suck, and at the same time say that I think Trump’s views suck, but Harris is better. It’s okay to be critical and still live in the reality of living in a FPtP system. Why make a public opinion? Just look at what her comments have brought. People are talking about her criticism of Harris, while also seeing that even though Harris doesn’t exactly align with her views, she’s still a clear better choice than that shit bag Trump. Intentional or not, her comments have gone viral and spread her views which will undoubtedly have an effect on some of her fans.
Yes, Harris’s genocide is way better than trump’s. Agree 💯
I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it’s not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump.
Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth.
I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped.
I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides.
Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along.
WHO IS THIS PERSON
Don’t be so proud of your ignorance. Just look it up.
One of the biggest pop stars currently. Here she is setting the record for largest crowd of all time at Lollapalooza in Chicago this summer.
Shit, its like Bad Bunny all over again. Had no idea who he was, just to find out he is/was the biggest artist in the world. I fear I may be out of touch.
starting to get big. you’ve probably heard her music on the radio recently if you tune into a pop station. she’s got some good stuff!
r-radio?
I’m 45, and even I haven’t listened to radio and at least a decade
Her voice is phenomenal. Her performing the other night in Glasgow, just chills when she sings…
My folk, get yourself an FM radio, and turn that shit on every morning. It’s bliss.
Its all fuckin dorks doing talk radio until 10am, then its same 10 songs on repeat for the rest of the day. At least in my area.
Well I’m sorry, because there’s some good radio in my area. I guess you could stream good radio from other regions online rofl
Also you don’t have to listen to it all day. I just check in mornings, evenings, and some weekends (really good classical programming)
She’s be in that rotation lol 😂
If I don’t have the ability to listen to adless streaming from my phone, I’d sooner rather listen to road noise than the trash on the radio or sit in silence if not driving. A couple of songs and then 10 minutes of the same ads is more than enough reason to never turn that shit on.
Ads on the radio?? I meant like public broadcasting
Yea, ads, like commercials. There are more of them and shitty radio DJs talking than actual music being played. If someone were to listen to an AM talk radio station, then there’s generally less commercials in my experience, but it’s low quality, and just a talk radio show.
Well I’m sorry to hear that. I guess I’ve been spoiled.
Agreed, the relentless ads are intolerable (probably due to fewer listeners, which leads to a death spiral, much like antenna TV). I haven’t heard anyone recommend radio since before the iPod. I’d prefer nature/noise as well.
I guess I’m officially old because I don’t know who tf this person is or why I should care about her opinion but I keep seeing her name everywhere🤣
She has a really good queer pop album.
The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is an incredible piece of work.
I’ll give it a listen
That’s the one I had in mind yup.
She’s like if Kate Bush and Cindi Lauper had a baby…
Ok… that sounds pretty good 🤣
Are you old enough to understand that acting like something new is beneath you is unbecoming?
Like, she sounds like, so eloquently spoken and with like, well fucking thought out opinions, like fuuuuck! Im totally picking who she is sort of picking but not picking like wow. For real for real.
No cap. Frr
How old are you to still be criticizing accents that are older than the vast majority of countries?
Thats not an accent dude that’s just someone who cant string a sentence together without making meaningless interjections every several words. It’s the equivalent of saying uhhhh every uhhhh time you need to uhhhhh think because you uhhhhh didn’t figure out your uhhhhh thoughts before uhhhh spitting them out.
That’s an accent. I’m sorry you hate a modified/updated valley girl accent but it’s been around a lot longer than you, and will be around long after your bloodline ends.
I don’t think that’s called an accent, that’s an affectation.
Uh, it’s a ticket. You can’t vote for one and not the other. Walz is implicitly endorsed. I don’t understand what the point of the headline’s distinction is.
Yeah, dumb title confused me too. I didn’t care enough to read the article but comments helped me realize “no VP endorsement” means she’s not endorsing Harris, who is the current VP.
Ah. Yeah, I suppose that makes more sense. But also, I feel like the distinction is somewhat pedantic. You’re openly saying you’re voting for them, which is essentially an implied endorsement. That’s not a tortured chain of logic. That’s a pretty direct inference.
She’s voting for Kamala but not endorsing her.
Seems ok for a pop singer…
Who?
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I fail to see a reason why I should give a single fuck about what this person thinks about any subject, including music. Get back in the recording booth, and make your little songs. Your opinions are irrelevant.
I don’t care about what she says, but effectively telling her to “shut up and dribble” is an incredibly dumb take.
I disagree, “person tells singer they should stick to singing” seems pretty middle of the road as far as takes go.
You might not care, but enough of her fans cared enough and were confused by her previous statements that she felt the need to post.
She’s famous enough that her approach to politics is news worthy. Whether you feel that’s true or not is immaterial because your just an anonymous rando who isn’t capable of influencing the zeitgeist at the scale of a platinum selling recording artist is
You missed the point, no one should care. Celebrity worship is rampant and goes too far. Her being famous enough that her approach to politics being newsworthy is a problem. The relationship between entertainer and entertainee should cease when the last track on the album ends. Her being popular doesn’t qualify her to speak on these subjects. It’s the same hole that Trump crawled out of.
I think that’s part of what she’s saying. She’s been very very open about not wanting to be worshipped. This all started with her saying she didn’t endorse either candidate when asked in an interview and she’s (rightfully) mad that people have blown that way out of proportions
That’s nice, but you’re addressing a fundamental flaw of humanity that hasn’t been solved in a couple million years and won’t be solved by just advocating for a solution. Celebrity worship/innate trust of those popular is quite literally the basis of all complex group human interaction. To solve it would require elimination of all non first-person methods of trust and understanding.
I’m not saying we don’t listen to people, or upend all social contracts. I merely suggest we gravitate to the learned and educated for their informed opinions, not whoever this pop sensation is.
We will always disagree with who is educated and learned, especially given everyone we think ha s those qualities today will be the dumbest people tomorrow.
Which is also ridiculous, we should listen to those who know more.
Not really, we should come to our own conclusion regardless of what others say, especially in fields that cannot be solved or even partially explained by science, like politics.
And you being a nobody on the internet means your opinion is at least as meaningless as hers…yet here you are trying to convince everyone that your opinion is correct.
At least you agree our opinions should carry the same weight.
That’s your take away from what I said? It’s like you’re trying to prove that your opinion should carry even less weight.
Yes, that’s all I took away from what you said.
Well then, there is no combination of “our” in this case where I wouldn’t bet on the other person’s opinion carrying more weight.
Liberals: “There is no such thing as Blue MAGA.”
Also Liberals: “Why aren’t you pledging your undying loyalty to Harris without question just like me?” 😡
She had a very fair and reasonable take. Anyone should be skeptical and voting for Harris to Deny Trump is fine but that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues. People know the playbook by now material conditions and systematic issues won’t get addressed post election.
Endorsing is not the same as undying loyalty. Seems obvious. But I guess it has to be stated clearly.
I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize anybody who says they’ll do everything in their power to support LGBTQ+, and then refuse to endorse Harris (even though she basically has).
No, endorsing isn’t the same as voting. Being forced to choose between two shit things is different than being made to reccomend it to someone else
You’re just up and down this thread attacking things nobody said. I can’t tell if it’s intentional or not.
You’re complaining about her saying she doesn’t want to endorse Harris by accusing her of insufficient queer advocacy
it’s perfectly fine to criticize anybody who says they’ll do everything in their power to support LGBTQ+, and then refuse to endorse Harris
I’m angry with those who choose to spend their time casting accusations against LTBTQ allies simply because they refuse to endorse their political candidate.
I live in a red state. Federal protections are the single most effective way way to support LGBTQ+. So yeah, don’t say you’re doing “everything” if you won’t even endorse.
Love what she does, I love the activism. She has no obligation to endorse. I totally get Gaza if that’s the holdup. But saying you’ll do “everything” in the same breath as saying you won’t endorse Harris is a lie and is offensive to me as someone who lives in an impacted state who desperately does not want another Trump presidency.
Democrats haven’t done anything on the federal level to protect LGBTQ rights in red states, nor is Harris running on any LGBTQ protections. Go ahead and look through her campaign website. There’s not a single mention of LGBTQ or gender. There are only 2 mentions of ‘minority’, and only one of black americans, and only in the context of business ownership.
Don’t tell me Harris is going to protect minorities in red states when she’s not given a ounce of time or effort doing anything to defend them.
edit: on her website she doesn’t even discuss queer, gender, or immigrant issues when discussing project 2025. It looks as if she is going out of her way to avoid the topic altogether.
I don’t give a fuck what she has to say to voters to get her elected. If you don’t think liberal judges over the next four years are a net positive over conservative judges, you need to pay more attention to politics more holistically.
For the record, this is also why I’m forever grateful to Joe Manchin for giving Dems a majority despite him not agreeing with Dems on many subjects. The alternative was far, far worse.
She said she is still voting for her. I wouldn’t endorse someone active in genocide and who doesn’t match my values as well. I think she was fair and told people to think for themselves. It is good to see a celeb that isn’t a yes man for once.
I completely respect Gaza making people reluctant voters. But don’t tell me you’re doing everything in your power for LGBTQ+ if you’re not going to support the only candidate who supports those rights. Just don’t even mention it if you’re going to contradict it.
Now, I only discovered who this person is this week (I heard one of her songs before all this stuff blew up). I don’t hate this person. My issues with her stance is about as minor as it can possibly be.
I’m just a passive observer who is watching half the country vote for a megalomaniac, a sliver of ill informed cynics vote for a Russian stooge, and a bunch of otherwise rational Americans pretend they don’t STRONGLY side with one party of another on 95% of issues.
You’re a passive consumer of cable news.
I watch enough cable news to know that they don’t take the extremism on the right seriously enough. And they’re too chicken shit to call it out 90% of the time because then they’ll look biased. They try to attack the left over literally anything to appear impartial.
I pay attention to politics. And I notice the shit that happens that gets ignored.
I think it’s because the corporate media supports corporate status quo of corporate politicians on both sides.
They manufacture culture wars when a real leftist starts to get their message out, for example the millionaire cable news hosts called out Bernie for having a million dollars after he wrote a New York Times best seller. lol, wtaf.
That’s one small example, but the corporate cable news doesn’t want us to see past R good D bad, or vice versa.
We actually have a lot more in common than we realize. Every body is pissed pff about money in politics, for example.
I think it’s because the corporate media supports corporate status quo of corporate politicians on both sides.
They manufacture culture wars when a real leftist starts to get their message out, for example the millionaire cable news hosts called out Bernie for having a million dollars after he wrote a New York Times best seller. lol, wtaf.
That’s one small example, but the corporate cable news doesn’t want us to see past R good D bad, or vice versa.
We actually have a lot more in common than we realize. Every body is pissed pff about money in politics, for example.
I don’t think Trump should win. I also don’t think the status quo works for all Americans, and I would be skeptical of someone who recently bragged about Dick Cheney endorsements and seems to be shifting right on policy. Chappell wants voters to come to their own decision, and I think that best. Even Bernie said something similar of just don’t blindly listen to me if you think I’m wrong. It is healthy for democracy.
Perfectly fine. But in the upcoming election, because of FPTP voting and the electoral college, you have one choice: vote Harris or be OK with Trump getting elected.
Doesn’t mean you have to agree with Harris or support her policies. Just means that not voting for her means Trump is just that much more likely to be elected, at which time it doesn’t matter who you voted for, who you endorse, or what personal values you hold.
But those aren’t the only names on the ticket.
My general rule is to vote for individuals at the municipal level, vote first causes at the state level, and vote strategically at the federal level, to get the representatives who will steer policy closest to the direction I want into office. Then comes the letter writing to remind them that I helped elect them, and they still need to win my support by acting in accordance with my values in key areas.
They aren’t talking about their decision at the booth, they are talking about not being forced to endorse someone.
People really need to stop cornering other people over who they’re voting for, and especially public figures. They’re not obligated to campaign for your choice of politician.
I fully support questioning both sides. I support making up your own mind. Although I think the news goes out of its way to sanitize the dangers of right’s extremism, which makes it harder for low-information voters to make informed opinions. But that’s a separate conversation.
None of that changes the fact that she has a platform and she isn’t using it for her cause as she claims she does. But I’m glad that she’s definitively voting for her causes along with tens of millions of other people.
She isn’t using it for your cause.
She is certainly using her platform for the issues she cares about.
It’s literally THE cause that SHE mentioned. That’s the entire point of my comments.
Issues don’t get fixed after election because voters go in thinking it’s a four year duty, not a continuous one. The uninformed voter name applies both during election time and between. Vote for the one that has the most potential to change (which means getting more progressive reps in Congress too) and then ride their ass their whole term if they aren’t making a difference you like, or if they do what you expect from them let them know they’re doing well. They are representatives by title, but they can’t represent who they don’t hear from.
So by many factors the above eliminates voting for Trump. This is a no-brainer vote, but the public has to put in some effort after they get people in office too. A big part of this problem is representation number in Congress, we ought to have a smaller rep/population ration than we do. But the other is a public that forgets to pay attention until it becomes a media headline.
