For a reader who likes weird books it isn’t boring. For someone required to endure it as part of a class and wants to go to a good school to become a marine biologist or chemistry major, it’s very boring.
For many people, they can’t easily avoid slow books like this with strange language because it’s required as a general prerequisite in high school or college. And getting into a “good” school usually requires feigning some interest in this type of dross.
The skill of reading weird old language that is circuitious and painful really only teaches boredom tolerance for those who don’t like literature of olden days.
I promise you Finnegan’s Wake is not required reading for any non-English major, and even then likely not until the graduate level (and probably only excerpts unless it’s a whole class on just the book).
For a reader who likes weird books it isn’t boring. For someone required to endure it as part of a class and wants to go to a good school to become a marine biologist or chemistry major, it’s very boring.
So there you have your answer why we can’t all collectively agree that it’s boring. Some people like it and/or get something out of reading it.
You could say the same about anything that requires effort, like learning a programming language for example. Of course a lot of people are going to find it boring and obtuse - but no one questions why it’s sometimes a requirement to learn it. That being said, I doubt aspiring marine biologists are being forced to read Finnegans Wake in particular.
Well, let me put it this way then: with your strategy, in 50 years there will be no one left alive who would be able to use or understand the word labyrinthine.
Well, if you mean literally, a little boredom is good for the brain.
If you mean why should we strive to make kids have a good vocabulary, it’s so that they can communicate with others and be able to understand the world better.
If you mean why should we strive to make kids appreciate art, it’s because art is good for kids’ brains, for everyone’s brains.
If you just mean you can’t force all kids to be into the same things, yes, I agree. But all should learn math, reading at an adult level, comfortably, sciences, art of some sort, and physical education of some sort.
You aren’t better off just always doing what comes easy to you. Forcing your mind and body to do things that are difficult is what makes you stronger and smarter. The learning difficult books that you disdain so thoroughly will make it both easier and more fun to read, eventually, but also just trains your mind to handle language better.
I read plenty of books in school, well over 5 cover to cover, and I still hate reading.
There is no truth in any book that I can’t learn from a good Sean Cody film.
I think your platitudes sound nice, but in a world of limited time, we’d be better off scrapping 1-2 years of English and replacing it with Genetics classes or Ecology classes at the high school level. Fiction books are mostly just an older technology of Netflix, and yet people cling to the idea of books being virtuous for Emeperor’s New Clothes-style pretentiousness.
The environmental catastrophy the world seems intent on diving head first into.(without knowing the depth) seems more pressing than some teenager becoming a sesquipidalian via extreme boredom.
This is a naive position. In a class society, the upper classes see to it that their kids get educated. If you’re the daughter of an AC repairman, and you like books with weird words in them, your chances to have a career in the field where you would thrive are slim to none. The best way to counter this is to offer a lot of education, to everyone, not just to the people “with a good head for reading” that just happens to also all have rich parents. For this noble cause, taking the risk that a few kids might be bored for a few hours seems like a reasonable prize to pay. You never know what kid is going to respond to what subject, this is why a broad education is important.
If we ensure everyone is able to have functional literacy, people begin to know.pretty quickly whether they do or do not like reading.
People have limitied time and the daughter of the AC repairman may be better served by being able take “easy” physics courses as a freshman and take a two year mechanical engineering course after to see if she likes that. She may not want to spend 80 hours on Finnegan’s Wake or expend effort having to pretend to like that incoherent diatribe. Grade school and high school take a long time and the idea that intelligent people of all classes couldn’t start learning more advanced topics and no one shouod specialize in what they learn is a Polyannaish attitude towards time and resource management that has lead to our clusterfuck society of “everyone needs a college degree just to work at enterprise rent a car” and results in people putting off child birth towards ages at which they are less likely to be fertile and have babies with fewer genetic defects. (That is not eugenicism. Everyone has genetic defects and most people have 6-7.) In an Internet age in which information is readily available, strategies, strategies for educating the populace should change and try to.reduce student apathy and disengagement, which ca nbe caused by teaching boring things students don’t like. I am not against a semester or two of high school English, but 4 years is 3 too many at least for those uninterested.
I guess, but broad exposure goes on for a very long and boring time, imho. Couldn’t there just be a 1 semester broad exposure class to find out such things instead of years of painful obtuse prose students mostly just pretended to read?
I read 4 words of that and was already fantasizing about guzzling the entire contents of a bottle of ADD meds
I don’t get why we can’t all objectively agree how boring that is?
It’s a lot of things, but definitely not boring…
I’d like to see Willem Defoe shouting it into a camera while not blinking.
None of this is vocalized. It’s all inner monologue.
Which makes me less bored because…?
For a reader who likes weird books it isn’t boring. For someone required to endure it as part of a class and wants to go to a good school to become a marine biologist or chemistry major, it’s very boring.
For many people, they can’t easily avoid slow books like this with strange language because it’s required as a general prerequisite in high school or college. And getting into a “good” school usually requires feigning some interest in this type of dross.
The skill of reading weird old language that is circuitious and painful really only teaches boredom tolerance for those who don’t like literature of olden days.
I promise you Finnegan’s Wake is not required reading for any non-English major, and even then likely not until the graduate level (and probably only excerpts unless it’s a whole class on just the book).
It’s Finnegans Wake, without the apostrophe. Obviously a book full of puns and riddles must have them in its title as well.
Sheesh, it’s not even a hundred years old yet.
So there you have your answer why we can’t all collectively agree that it’s boring. Some people like it and/or get something out of reading it.
You could say the same about anything that requires effort, like learning a programming language for example. Of course a lot of people are going to find it boring and obtuse - but no one questions why it’s sometimes a requirement to learn it. That being said, I doubt aspiring marine biologists are being forced to read Finnegans Wake in particular.
Not Finnegans Wake in particular, but something boring and slow with old labyrinthyian language that gives people a headache to follow.
Most people take programming as an elective whereas as old slow books are generally required for everyone.
Well, let me put it this way then: with your strategy, in 50 years there will be no one left alive who would be able to use or understand the word labyrinthine.
That’s not true. People who like language will naturally gravitate towards learning weird words
Just like people who like using their hands will gravitate toward air conditiioning repair and woodworking over time
Why does EVERYONE need to be bored right now?
Well, if you mean literally, a little boredom is good for the brain.
If you mean why should we strive to make kids have a good vocabulary, it’s so that they can communicate with others and be able to understand the world better.
If you mean why should we strive to make kids appreciate art, it’s because art is good for kids’ brains, for everyone’s brains.
If you just mean you can’t force all kids to be into the same things, yes, I agree. But all should learn math, reading at an adult level, comfortably, sciences, art of some sort, and physical education of some sort.
You aren’t better off just always doing what comes easy to you. Forcing your mind and body to do things that are difficult is what makes you stronger and smarter. The learning difficult books that you disdain so thoroughly will make it both easier and more fun to read, eventually, but also just trains your mind to handle language better.
I read plenty of books in school, well over 5 cover to cover, and I still hate reading.
There is no truth in any book that I can’t learn from a good Sean Cody film.
I think your platitudes sound nice, but in a world of limited time, we’d be better off scrapping 1-2 years of English and replacing it with Genetics classes or Ecology classes at the high school level. Fiction books are mostly just an older technology of Netflix, and yet people cling to the idea of books being virtuous for Emeperor’s New Clothes-style pretentiousness.
The environmental catastrophy the world seems intent on diving head first into.(without knowing the depth) seems more pressing than some teenager becoming a sesquipidalian via extreme boredom.
This is a naive position. In a class society, the upper classes see to it that their kids get educated. If you’re the daughter of an AC repairman, and you like books with weird words in them, your chances to have a career in the field where you would thrive are slim to none. The best way to counter this is to offer a lot of education, to everyone, not just to the people “with a good head for reading” that just happens to also all have rich parents. For this noble cause, taking the risk that a few kids might be bored for a few hours seems like a reasonable prize to pay. You never know what kid is going to respond to what subject, this is why a broad education is important.
It’s SO boring to people who don’t like it.
If we ensure everyone is able to have functional literacy, people begin to know.pretty quickly whether they do or do not like reading.
People have limitied time and the daughter of the AC repairman may be better served by being able take “easy” physics courses as a freshman and take a two year mechanical engineering course after to see if she likes that. She may not want to spend 80 hours on Finnegan’s Wake or expend effort having to pretend to like that incoherent diatribe. Grade school and high school take a long time and the idea that intelligent people of all classes couldn’t start learning more advanced topics and no one shouod specialize in what they learn is a Polyannaish attitude towards time and resource management that has lead to our clusterfuck society of “everyone needs a college degree just to work at enterprise rent a car” and results in people putting off child birth towards ages at which they are less likely to be fertile and have babies with fewer genetic defects. (That is not eugenicism. Everyone has genetic defects and most people have 6-7.) In an Internet age in which information is readily available, strategies, strategies for educating the populace should change and try to.reduce student apathy and disengagement, which ca nbe caused by teaching boring things students don’t like. I am not against a semester or two of high school English, but 4 years is 3 too many at least for those uninterested.
Because a broad educational background is important and people can’t know if they’d be into old literature without being exposed to it.
I guess, but broad exposure goes on for a very long and boring time, imho. Couldn’t there just be a 1 semester broad exposure class to find out such things instead of years of painful obtuse prose students mostly just pretended to read?