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    As Kavanuagh’s comment demonstrated, the Republican-appointed justices seemed to feel that in America today, it is religious people who are the victims of discrimination and whose needs are ignored.

    So the group who are tax exempt and have many of their religious holidays as nationally recognized paid holidays, as well as have had the last 47 presidentail elects be of their religion (not including in other positions of authority), are suddenly victims of discrimination?

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    If you didn’t vote Harris, you voted for this.

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        “B-b-but, muh Marxist dialectic materialism requires that I vote ideologically and totally disregard all dissident opinions”

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      There have been no new Supreme Court nominees since the election, so even if Harris had won, it would not have changed this.

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      Actually no. Refusing to vote for a genocidal candidate, regardless of which side of the aisle or gender they are, is always a good choice. We are not free until we are all free. I demand my politicians not just be the lesser of two evils. I hope you can too. Cuz the drive to vote for a democratic candidate cuz they are not as evil is what got us here in the first place.

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        how’s that working out for you?

        sometimes being an adult means doing distasteful things… both candidates supported genocide… 1 of the candidates also wasn’t racist, economically literate, determined to exterminate the poor, and destroy what little democracy you had

        get the fuck over it… you have 2 bad choices and your lack of choice contributed to this

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          He had one bad choice and one meh choice. There was plenty of progressive legislation in Harris’ platform. These people didn’t get 100% of what they wanted and sat home like entitled children.

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      No, I didn’t vote for either. It was pretty easy to vote against Harris, while also voting against this. Maybe next time the Dems should run a candidate that at least pretends to care about what the voters want. That tends to help in elections.

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            If there is a next time, I will absolutely say to vote lesser evil again. Without a workable alternative, that is the option. I still see no workable alternative. Longshot third parties with ~1% polling are not a workable alternative. Vague revolution composed of ~1% of the population is not a workable alternative. When you have a plan, with reasonable chances of success, we can talk.

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        I would accept that in 2016. This time around you dipshits knew what the result of your apathy would be and did it anyway.

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        Maybe next time the Dems should run a candidate that at least pretends to care about what the voters want. That tends to help in elections.

        All of this I agree with. Unfortunately it won’t happen until all the neolibs are run out of the party.

        But trying to pretend like you didn’t directly elect a dictator by “abstaining” is not only absurd, but ethically reprehensible. Much of life is about choosing between lesser evils and lesser pains. Letting the worst options win because a perfect one doesn’t (and cannot) exist makes you a deliberate, willing accomplice.

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    Religion is a belief. School curriculum is made based on facts and experiments over time. They should not be combined.

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      Religion is made up fairytales that adults still believe in.

      Honesty a guy praying to Jebus is no different than a guy shooting hadoukens from his wrists.

      Yet one is called spiritual while the other is called childish…

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    It’s funny that they clearly aren’t considering that religions other than theirs also exist. That’s the whole point of the Separation of Church and State. Your arbitrary religious views have no place in government or governance or public spaces… because others have other beliefs, many of which likely stand in stark contrast to yours, and the permutations are endless. Leaving your religious biases out of public life allows us all to coexist.

    But lets ignore that and see what happens. Looking forward to The Satanic Temple having a presence in all public schools. Maybe muslims can get the Five Pillars and Buddhists can get the Noble Truths… and we’re just getting started.

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      They’re not ignoring it, they’re fully aware, and it’s the whole point. They want an official state religion to suppress all others. They’ve been perfectly willing and able to blatantly ignore facts, evidence, and existing law and jurisprudence to benefit one religion over all others.

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      Yeah, the idea isn’t that church and state are matter/antimatter, but that the state shouldn’t be used to direct people towards or away from any religion.

      If the government establishes fair criteria for “school eligible for federal funding” then there’s no reason those schools must be secular or of any particular religion.

      Wait until some MAGAt groks that their tax dollars might go to a (((school))) or end up helping Muslims in some way.

      TBF, this regime doesn’t actually support any form of real education.

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      It would be probably better than most of the other offerings in Oklahoma. Funnily enough, OKCPS had(has?) an illegal provision in its dress code that bans “satanic” imagery.

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    He continued: “You can’t treat religious people and religious institutions and religious speech as second-class in the United States… And when you have a program that’s open to all comers except religion… that seems like rank discrimination against religion.”

    No, you stupid cunt. Religious institutions are special snowflakes that enjoy tax-exempt status and steal billions of dollars from this country by existing. Now you want to give them billions more on top of it. Fuck you Brett Kavanaugh you treasonous piece of shit.

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    Letting Religion run things is how you get the dark ages again. They were called dark for a reason.

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      They’re called dark ages because there’s not much record about it.

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          No, the same goes for archeologic findings.

          It’s believed that some king shifted years to extend his reign on paper or get a favourable century.

          Edit: That’s a load of crap

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            That is a conspiracy theory that can easily be disproven if you look literally anywhere outside of Western Europe. Muhammad started Islam and composed the Qu’ran at the beginning of that time period, and the Islamic calendar begins in 622 AD. According to the Phantom Time theory, basically none of early Islamic history actually existed and it’s a fabrication by… The Pope?! It’s an absurd premise. The Abbasid Caliphate was founded in 750 and still existed in 911, with all sorts of written and archeological evidence in favor, and let’s not forget about the other Roman Empire that existed in that time frame and have their own historical and archeological evidence, including about events that overlapped with Western histories such as Irene of Athens being pressured to marry Charlemagne. Again, it stretches credulity that the Byzantine Emperors and Eastern Church or any Muslims whatsoever would be swayed to fabricate so much of their own history by the Pope. This theory is absurd at best and racist at worst because in erasing so much Western European history it just kind of assumes literally nothing was happening anywhere else in the world either.

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            Kings aren’t good either, especially when they think they are a genius.

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              What does that have to do with anything?

              It just means it might not be 2025 but way earlier right now.

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                Trump thinks he’s a genius king. He’s fired anyone that can stop him. They are replacing entire government departments with AI. He’s just got sick of Elon’s shit and took it over himself. This is where it gets really bumpy.

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      This part is both mind blowing and hilarious. Not too long ago they were screeching that “they are trying to make everything sharia law!”

      Then they do this, with absolutely no sense of irony. The dumb runs so deep that its turning to magma.

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        The same idiots cheering this on would gaslight me and try to tell me there is “no such thing as xtian Shariah Law” when I’d point out that the talibangelicals very much want xtian Shariah Law here and have been pushing for it for as long as I’ve been alive.

        I know better. Just because (of course) they don’t call it Shariah Law doesn’t mean it isn’t the exact same fucking thing.

        The only reason they hate conservative Muslims so much is that game recognizes game, and let’s face it, if you change up a bit of doctrine, Muslim extremists want almost the exact same things as xtian extremists, and the xtianists have FATWA ENVY like you would not believe. They are very pissed off that more of their flock are not murderous thugs, too.

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    America really is falling through, huh? Might just be best to dissolve the union and leave behind the garbage.

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          I’ve said that, word for word. When I actually sit and think about it though, I think it’s more like appendicitis. Religion once served a purpose (passing on of useful cultural norms and expectations), has become vestigial, and is now inflamed and likely to kill us (as a society and individually, in some cases)

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            Social / cultural norms don’t require belief systems and made up deities to function. Putting that magical thinking to it makes people fanatical and works against logic or ideological evolution. Religion has always worked against societal advancement. It was a collective delusion to soothe ancient fears of a world we could not comprehend. Clinging to it now is just a salve to people’s fear of death. It’s a weak minded cope to fragile egos who can’t stand that we are just animals and there is no greater purpose to our existence. It helps powerful people to get poor people to die for their causes and to manipulate emotions. It’s a disease against progress.

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              The supernatural claims are just a byproduct of the mechanism that passed along the creation myths and cultural norms. It would be great if that wasn’t how it happened, but it did. Rational people can agree at this point that the magical thinking is a net negative for society, but IMO, to ignore that there were some positives to come along with religion is the same sort of blind denial that religious folks use.

              It was a collective delusion to soothe ancient fears of a world we could not comprehend

              Agreed, but can’t you see that that was an advantage during the formative ages of society and civilization?

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                I can say it was a way to reach an end, but it wasn’t the only way to reach that end. Society in the formative ages could have just as easily organized around collective strength and pack principals instead of magical thinking. It served some purpose, but it was a poor way to reach that end. It is a net negative on humanity, but it’s how we got here so we have to deal with its corrosive residue in society today.

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                  Agreed, that’s my whole point. It was not the ideal way to get where we are, but it’s how it happened. There was a… I don’t want to say purpose, but “benefit,” might be the right word.

                  If we were designing things from scratch, then obviously religion would be left out. But it’s an unfortunate accident of the evolution of consciousness and evolution of civilization that certain societal benefits were included with the magical thinking. Just like the health of the human gut biome is tied to the existence of the appendix, even through the appendix doesn’t provide much in the way of direct benefits these days and can become inflamed and kill us.

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            Or a constantly inflamed tissue becomes cancerous overtime, and the theory of field cancerization, much like with celiacs and untreated gerd.

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        I think if we were sent a history book from the year 2200, we would see that history has determine the US was already effectively gone by this point. Most just don’t see it yet. What’s left for us to figure out is where we go from here. So far, I don’t like the chance it is a better country or world.

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          In the trek franchise, people finally get it, after they nuked themselves in a 3rd ww3 which costed 600mil lives, and of course a little alien intervention aftermath.

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          Oh I agree, it’s been on a downwards spiral for a while, I was just saying how it’s sped up it’s descent.

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    If they’re going to allow religious schools get public funding then churches should pay into taxes.

    Make it at least somewhat fair.

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    “You can’t treat religious people and religious institutions and religious speech as second-class in the United States”

    If you’re teaching spiritual things then you’re not a top-class program. Stick to facts.

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    As a European watching the news, sometimes I have to remind myself that lots of other countries also go to shit from time to time, it just doesn’t get reported on as much. We get a massively disproportionate amount of reporting from the US as a result of how the English-speaking internet works.

    In fact even writing this I just noticed the sidebar’s description of the community I’m posting in, guess I should probably just block it (no offence).

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    How long do you think it will take for Trump to declare himself as the head of the US religion, the same way Henry VIII did for the Church of England?