• Prunebutt@feddit.de
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      10 months ago

      So, as soon as someone shows joy that their daughter who was about to be locked away for 10 years for throwing stones at an IDF soldier, they must be a terrorist?

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              10 months ago

              I don’t define it as civil/non-violent defiance against an occupying power. Or being happy that a family member is released from prison.

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                Ehm, civil-non-violent, eh? One of the released women is Amani Hashim (sp?) 37 y.o. from the West Bank who used her car to ram an Israeli soldier on a check point, seriously injuring him, and then waved a knife on others, while shouting religious slogans… Got convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

                I can imagine what would have happened, if that checkpoint wouldn’t be there…

                https://www.verdicts.co.il/ע-פ-6533-18-אמאני-חשים-נגד-מדינת-ישראל-24-02-2020/

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                  10 months ago

                  You do know what kind of ethnic cleansing and illegal settlement the IDF is currently carrying out in the west bank? Whah kind of resistance do you expect?

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                Who is being occupied? Israel disengaged from gaza since 2005. Since hamas won the election, they kept threatening israel’s existence, so how do you suggest israel should respond with such threat?

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                  10 months ago

                  Israel is occupying Palestine (including Gaza and the West Bank). They control water, electricity and imports into Gaza and you claim they “disengaged”?

                  Also: There are Palestinians in Israel. They don’t have the same rights that non-jewish people living there do. I.e. They get locked away when showing joy that their family members can leave prisons for ridiculous charges.

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                    Damn, how far fetched are you from reality? The West Bank are controlled by the Palestine Authority and Gaza by Hamas. Since 2005. Read it up. Israel is the one supplying water, electricity and oil to these two area because they’re not capable to produce them on their own. Let me ask you. If it were you, would you give your enemy the luxury of all of those? Israel did. And they stopped giving more to gaza after they were threaten by hamas. Justified or not?

                    Again, what are your sources for these claim? Arabs in Israel does have rights as any Israeli as long they are a citizen. They can vote, they can enter politics, or do any kind of jobs. There are even arab soldiers in the IDF! Palestinian on the other hand are treated like how any country would treats foreign citizens. Of course they won’t be let freely to do what they want in a sovereign country. You have to know the difference between an arab israeli and a palestine. And you have to think of Israel as a country. They’re controlling the border? Why shouldn’t they control their own border?

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      10 months ago

      That you get down voted for this simple fact is really saying a lot about the Kool-aid consumption of some “Israel critics”.

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        10 months ago

        If they’re terrorists why are you holding them in “administrative detention” indefinitely instead of charging them with crime?

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          10 months ago

          See, that would be a good point to make in a meme. Saying they can’t be terrorists (or some other kind of lawful prisoner) because they’re teenagers or women however is not a good point.

          edit: lol @downvotes

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      are we suppose to take the label “terrorist” serious when it comes to the israelis? just because israel labels someone a terrorist it doesn’t make it true.

      but i know your thought process. it is based on the false premisse that israel is not a terrorist state.

      if israel arrests you on the charges of terrorism it doesn’t make you a terrorist. it makes you an enemy to a “terrorist state”. you can use terror and be a terrorist when fighting israel, but just because you get arrested by idf, it doesn’t automatically makes you a terrorist, imho.

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            Okay, so how can you relate that definition with what both sides are doing? I mean from a non-bias perspective.

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              clearly, we should boycott, ~~de-invest ~~ Divestment and sanction israel. just like we do with hamas and the pa.

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                  10 months ago

                  everyday, in fact international security agencies should do more to help. in fact greater israel should be a international nation new home of the united nations. the us should invade to establish a cease fire until this is established. it is the only way to stop the blood shed. from both sides. after all israeli settlers can’t be left without protection until the law is the same for all greater israel citizens.