I liked Andor :(
Andor is amazing!
Andor is the kind of show where I would literally recommend it to someone who hates Star Wars. It’s just such an incredibly raw, powerful, and vital piece of media. One of the finest works of anti-fascist art I’ve seen in a long time.
Anyone who hasn’t watched that show is robbing themselves. Moments like “one way out” and Luthen’s “sacrifice” monologue are going to live with me for a long time. Season 2 can’t come soon enough.
Also B2EMO is the best droid in all of Star Wars (Fun fact; his voice is the puppeteer’s, but it wasn’t supposed to be. They were planning to overdub, but then the guy did such an amazing job on the set that they just gave him the role).
I don’t know that you even have to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy Andor. It’s not like Star Wars lore was super important. The Force and Jedi are not even parts of the plot.
Lies, there’s the prequel Rogue One.
That’s it though.
There is no Sequel Trilogy in Ba Sing Se.
Here we are safe. Here we are free.
You know what would really suck though?
If they made any Matrix or Highlander sequels.
yeah, glad that these sequel fuckers didn’t think about mad max or the terminator either. there can be only one.
You’ve gone two steps too far, my friend.
No, there’s the original trilogy, the prequels, and the “Oh, it was Palpatine the whole time. …again. How original.”
8 really ruined it. 7 had problems but I could forgive some of them because “Disney still trying to figure it out.”
Then 8 happened. Closed off all story threads from 7 without any fanfare at all, and closed off all of its own potential threads within itself, leaving absolutely nothing for 9 to follow up on. Multiple character assassinations, and the entire Canto section could be deleted from the film and zero context would be lost.
9 was never going to succeed. It couldn’t have. There was nothing for it to build on from 8.
What story threads? There were no story threads. There was hopeful fans who wanted to create things out of thin air. That’s about it. There was more from 8 to lead off from than 7.
Hey now. Rogue One is out there.
Definitely a top 4 Star Wars movie. Possibly top 2.
Honestly, I like the prequel universe more. The movies are just a bit weird sometimes
I liked that they (the prequels) expanded the world of star wars and felt fun and fantastical (as I imagine the original triology felt when it came out). The Sequels tried to be too dark and moody in my opinion.
That’s why I hated empire strikes back. It was trying too hard to be edgy.
Says the edgy comment…
Can you expand on that ? What exactly did being too edgy look like in 1980 ?
It was edgy in the same way a Zack Snyder film is.
Star Wars (no, it wasn’t “EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE”), Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were the only good SW movies. The rest are embarrassingly bad fanfiction. Just because people laugh at the prequel memes doesn’t make the prequels good. We as a society fell when we started laughing at all the horrible parts of the prequels and then asked ourselves “wait, if we’re being entertained by the prequels, does that mean they were good?” and coming to the absolute wrong conclusion.
I think technology is the issue. When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects, as the special effects tech has gotten better the story telling seems to rely on the tech as opposed to overcoming the tech (this is all movies/shows not just this franchise). Iirc the death star was a bunch of models of battle ships and other things pasted together, not sure if they did fly-by-wire (Red Dwarf was really good at this practical effect) for the space battles. As an aside, we also tend to like the ones we grew up watching, I’m in the original trilogy is the best (pushin 50), but to those that were my age for the prequels think the prequels are the better series, not sure about the sequels.
When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects
I’m curious, have you watched the original trilogy with the original practical effects, and not the crappy CGI that George added later?
Ok, I am being misunderstood. The “practical effects” were amazing by the standards of the day, and are now basically a thing of the past. The ingenuity was second to none, but the light sabers, blaster bolts etc “special effects” were not the best. And yes I did see that atrocity and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap. If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better. My main point, and it goes beyond star wars, is much of cinema and TV rely on CGI special effects and the writers hope that will get them over the line.
Clunky = takes a lot of space, expensive = self explanatory, time consuming = getting models to behave properly
Ah, thanks for clarifying. That’s an interesting position. I never found the light sabers or blaster bolts in the original trilogy to look that bad. And the practical effects, models, and sets, certainly look superior to the CGI sets in the prequels.
If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better.
I’m not so sure about this. I think that the limitations George had at the time ended up being part of what made the original trilogy so good. If George had access to better special effects, would we still have gotten scenes like these?
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Or would we have gotten this instead?
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George being able to do “whatever he wants” does not necessarily lead to the best movie.
and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap
Search up “Harmy despecialized” and “4k77”. There are many other Star Wars fans who feel the way you do, and they have taken matters into their own hands :)
Honestly yeah, 1, 2, and 3 are amazing and never needed sequels.
I would argue that Jedi deserves everything the prequels get
RotJ is where Lucas started to not have pushback on story ideas. It still mostly works but some silliness is leaking through. Especially in the Special Edition, but Empire is the only one that really wasn’t effected by those.
I honestly cannot believe you forgot about the Skywalker twins.
“I’ve always known.”
Somehow.
Still not as stupid as George’s decision to have Leia remember their mother as “beautiful but sad” and then have Padme die two minutes after Leia is born. Like, damn, Leia’s got a good memory.
I would be generous and interpret that as Leah remembering Bail Organa’s wife (who it must remembered, she thought was her mother until like, an hour before that conversation), or else constructing memories of an ideal woman.
At least, until Obi Wan, but whatever
Your point still stands. She only found out she was adopted like an hour prior.
She only found out she was adopted like an hour prior.
Wait, who did she find this out from? Her adoptive parents were presumably killed in Star Wars with the destruction of Alderaan.
It’s also implied that she knew she was adopted. Luke asks her “do you remember your mother, your real mother?” and Leia replies “Just a little bit. She died when I was very young”.
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Makes sense. Those people are ancient. The 6 movies are fine it is the crap Disney stuff that sucks. Apparently I am a “bad” Star Wars fan if I don’t subscribe to DRM based streaming where you own nothing. Also the idea that there is a story line after the end is dumb and poorly done.
The 6 movies are fine
I take issue with the prequels being described as “fine”. Meesa think thosa terrible films…
I can get chill and watch 5 of the 6. I refuse the jar jar movie. I heard his goddamn patois one time in theaters and it was more than enough.
I like the alternate order which mixes the two trilogies together: ep 4,5,2,3,6. No ep 1! boooooo!
4,5,2,3,6. No ep 1!
That’s machete order, I think. While TPM is definitely the most “skippable” of the 6, I think AotC is a worse movie.
Fair. I just have personal beef with jarjar. Feels like nails on chalkboard, no way around it
They are, the dialogue is absolutely horrendous. There is a reason is has been memed to death.
That said young kids enjoy it. Sabers go wonwon, blasters go pew pew. And watch them go crazy for that pod race scene.
They are, the dialogue is absolutely horrendous.
“I wish I could wish away my feelings”
“I’ve been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life”
I liked a lot of seven, but knowing that you’d have to eventually watch nine sort of invalidates the rest of that trilogy
Never did watch 9. My biggest problem with 7 ?and other reboots like Jurassic World) is it was literally almost a rehash of 4, except with an even bigger “Death Star”. Rather than going for a unique plot.
Episode 3 is really good.
You mean the one with the four armed cyborg with a silly name that made parents think it was a kids move which resulted in children watching a movie where a guy murders a bunch of children because his teachers didn’t give him enough respect?
How that’s bad? The bad thing is how quickly the guy decides that is all over and start murdering children.
Sure it wouldn’t be bad if it was just a kid’s movie about silly cyborgs.
It also wouldn’t be bad to portray a massacre if it were a dark movie for adults.
It’s bad because both of these are in the same movie. Who is this for? Is it a children’s movie with a school massacre, or is it an adult’s movie with silly robots? You gotta pick a lane!
Also “I have the high ground” is one of the dumbest things in any movie. Good thing it was just a nothing scene that didn’t matter, right? Oh it was the most important scene in the entire trilogy? Well that’s unfortunate. At least we got a lot of memes from it, and that’s what the prequels were really all about weren’t they?
The ratio on this post makes me think there is hope for lemmy afterall.
For real
