The majority of conservative cis LGB folk think that their version of queerness is ok, but other types are not. Anti trans LGB folk are one version of this
I’m sure. People listen to me because I’m a straight white man, whether I deserve their attention or not, so I leverage that to support people who are oppressed.
I speak out against hate of every kind. I ask questions like this because it’s important to know where it comes from to determine the appropriate response. This I didn’t see or expect, but it makes sense now that it’s been described. I appreciate the explanation.
Often it’s fear. They think if they’re a perfect, respectable minority, they can appeal to the kindness of queerphobes and win rights through sympathy. Sometimes it’s even trauma. Gay guy is used to being called a girl for his gayness, and is triggered to see a trans woman willingly taking that on. Or trans person is used to hearing helicopter copypastas and thinks otherkin are conservative trolls. In both cases, they’re used to being attacked with the idea of more marginalised queers, and think they can switch sides to the oppressor’s corner if they disavow the smaller minority
I’m not sure where you live, but I’ve definitely encountered them in my extremely conservative state. Even here, they’re a small group though.
Even being a small group, I feel like it’s still a problem because hate groups like the Republican Party can parade them around when convenient (until they are no longer useful – then see comic in post).
Can confirm, trans-exclusionary gay/bi people are fucking everywhere in (rural) Georgia in the US. I think the ones who are out who are “anti-trans” outnumber the normal ones.
Unlike what some commenters have said, it’s absolutely not just “a Twitter thing”. Eg. one of Finland’s new MEPs is exactly this sort of person; a gay man dating an immigrant, but who belongs to an extremist right-wing party. He hates trans people, and like all conservative LGBT+ folks he is so oblivious that he apparently completely misses the fact that were his party to actually have their way, they would literally murder him for not being straight, and at best deport his boyfriend if they didn’t send him to the same extermination camp
Yeah, I have a gay buddy who is very supportive of most aspects of LGBTQI+ but HATES when people try to make kinks part of what he believes the culture is. “Leather harnesses, Fursuits and getting your dick or tits out in public has nothing to do with being gay.”
Which I kind of get, but more historically speaking is also kind of wack because straight kink communities were some of the earliest supporters of gay rights. Gay peoples opinions like a rainbow are also a broad spectrum.
I think the important thing is to just realize that you can be accepting of something even if you don’t personally want to be involved with it. And on the flip side, some people just don’t want to be a part of certain groups, and that’s OK too.
some people just don’t want to be a part of certain groups
In one hand, people don’t want to be reduced to just one defining feature. In the other, some seem to fear that just because there are gay people with kinks, all LGBT+ persons must be viewed as being into heavy BDSM furry stuff.
Just speak for yourself and how you want to be seen instead of trying to police others/the larger group.
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Ignorant straight cisgendered ally question- Is this really a thing? Is there a wedge between sexuality and gender advocacy?
The majority of conservative cis LGB folk think that their version of queerness is ok, but other types are not. Anti trans LGB folk are one version of this
That’s awful. Just enough acceptance for them, and fuck everyone else. It must take a complete lack of empathy.
That was already stated. “Conservative” cis LGB folk.
You see it even more often if you’re otherkin.
I’m sure. People listen to me because I’m a straight white man, whether I deserve their attention or not, so I leverage that to support people who are oppressed.
I speak out against hate of every kind. I ask questions like this because it’s important to know where it comes from to determine the appropriate response. This I didn’t see or expect, but it makes sense now that it’s been described. I appreciate the explanation.
Often it’s fear. They think if they’re a perfect, respectable minority, they can appeal to the kindness of queerphobes and win rights through sympathy. Sometimes it’s even trauma. Gay guy is used to being called a girl for his gayness, and is triggered to see a trans woman willingly taking that on. Or trans person is used to hearing helicopter copypastas and thinks otherkin are conservative trolls. In both cases, they’re used to being attacked with the idea of more marginalised queers, and think they can switch sides to the oppressor’s corner if they disavow the smaller minority
That’s incredibly enlightening. You’re very insightful. Thank you.
I’ve never met one of these people… I feel like they must be a monitority of the minority, right?
I’m not sure where you live, but I’ve definitely encountered them in my extremely conservative state. Even here, they’re a small group though.
Even being a small group, I feel like it’s still a problem because hate groups like the Republican Party can parade them around when convenient (until they are no longer useful – then see comic in post).
Can confirm, trans-exclusionary gay/bi people are fucking everywhere in (rural) Georgia in the US. I think the ones who are out who are “anti-trans” outnumber the normal ones.
Unlike what some commenters have said, it’s absolutely not just “a Twitter thing”. Eg. one of Finland’s new MEPs is exactly this sort of person; a gay man dating an immigrant, but who belongs to an extremist right-wing party. He hates trans people, and like all conservative LGBT+ folks he is so oblivious that he apparently completely misses the fact that were his party to actually have their way, they would literally murder him for not being straight, and at best deport his boyfriend if they didn’t send him to the same extermination camp
Yeah, I have a gay buddy who is very supportive of most aspects of LGBTQI+ but HATES when people try to make kinks part of what he believes the culture is. “Leather harnesses, Fursuits and getting your dick or tits out in public has nothing to do with being gay.”
Which I kind of get, but more historically speaking is also kind of wack because straight kink communities were some of the earliest supporters of gay rights. Gay peoples opinions like a rainbow are also a broad spectrum.
I think the important thing is to just realize that you can be accepting of something even if you don’t personally want to be involved with it. And on the flip side, some people just don’t want to be a part of certain groups, and that’s OK too.
In one hand, people don’t want to be reduced to just one defining feature. In the other, some seem to fear that just because there are gay people with kinks, all LGBT+ persons must be viewed as being into heavy BDSM furry stuff.
Just speak for yourself and how you want to be seen instead of trying to police others/the larger group.