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      Most rich people don’t just stand around outside waiting to get shot. Especially not if they know someone is gunning for them. They may be morally bankrupt, but they’re not stupid.

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    Spoiler alert: The civilization disrupting aspects of climate change are still decades out and the rich countries will probably be fine.

    They’ll be fine because they can afford the infrastructure projects and increased costs of energy and food.

    Now Africa, South America, the poorer Asian countries, tiny Pacific Island nations… Oh boy. I would not want to be a citizen there in 20 or 30 years.

    Eventually sea level rise will become a really big fucking problem, like for every single coastal city in the world, even the rich ones. Luckily none of us will be around to see that unless some sort of miraculous life extension technology becomes available.

    On the one hand I don’t like mentioning this because it gives the right wing ammunition to ignore climate change. But on the other hand some people have such existential dread about it that it’s damaging their mental health, they are really overestimating how damaging it will be in their lifetime in their rich country they live in.

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      I mean, I feel like this year in particular illustrates quite well that there are already very real impacts of climate change in rich countries, with Canada, Greece, Hawaii etc. burning. Which makes it worth to delay climate change as much as possible, even if we can’t or don’t want to stop it at livable levels.

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        You can’t have this both ways.

        When a magat in the Senate brings in a snowball and says that global warming isn’t happening because it’s snowing…

        “That’s weather not climate!”

        When there’s a wildfire somewhere…

        “That’s global warming!”

        We can definitively say that this year is the hottest year on record, but we can’t attribute individual forest fires or tornadoes or hurricanes to climate change.

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          The others already pointed out that there’s a global, rising trend of climate disasters. I would like to qualify:

          • This year did exceed everyone’s expectations. It’s the first year of El Niño after years of increasing temperatures, so while it didn’t come as a complete surprise, it could still be an anomaly.

          • If you ask climate scientists, they’ll tell you lots of climate change effects that could contribute to these wildfires, but yeah, ultimately, they’ll say they won’t know for sure until they’ve seen the following years.

          However, these are raging wildfires all around the globe, in regions that don’t normally have them and that aren’t linked to each other. At some point, it stops being “a wildfire somewhere” and starts to become a statistic.

          Surface-level ocean temperatures are significantly higher this year, globally, than in previous years. We can’t explain such a global increase without climate change. And obviously, warm water evaporates differently, leading to unusual weather patterns, leading to droughts, which increases the likelihood of wildfires.

          So, yeah, while the snowball is simply irrelevant to the topic, the wildfire statistic correlates with all our other statistics. You’d have to ignore a ton of evidence to not attribute the wildfires to climate change until proven differently.

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        Problem is also that there have always been catastrophes… Earthquakes, wildfires, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc.

        Maybe in the past they should have also been attributed to climate change, but I don’t think the average human being can draw the distinction yet

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    expect they’ve found a way to ‘profit’ off the collapse already. might be one of the reasons they’re doing nothing to stop it

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      And when the last land is a desert, the last river dry, the last field poisoned, the last tree cut down, will they realise that one cannot eat money.

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    Don’t just wait passively for it, take action. Everyone can contribute and together we will achieve big things. If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

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      If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

      Hoping to speed up the collapse I see lol.

      I drive a hybrid.

      I recycle everything I can.

      I pickup litter.

      I try to be as power efficient as possible.

      I’m not a vegetarian but I don’t eat meat everyday.

      Plus, I post memes that stimulate conversation like this!

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        I am vegan since 5 years, before I was (don’t judge me, or do- its deserved) 10 years vegetarian. Since ~15 years? PV on my roof which feed into the grid many times more power than I used I rarely travel, not one flight. I advocate and work towards a sustainable future. Demonstrations and some political work. Go on, check my my posts and judge for yourself if I was maybe sarcastic?

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      … did everyone misread your comment or am I crazy? I have faith that we can make horrible climate change a reality if we just put our minds to it.

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        Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take. This does not take anything away from other actions we can simultaneous pursue. Veganism is growing and has despite being a small percentage of the population the potential for a change.

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          And it’d probably be a lot more convincing if my experience with vegans outside the past year or so weren’t composed entirely of people pushing it on the basis of “killing animals is wrong.”

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            Its a multitude of reasons for people to go vegan: The animals, their own health, the probability of not creating a living hell on earth. The reason why vegans try to convince others is often because after a few years most are so disconnected from the killing of others for taste where it is a giant argument. The suffering and abuse of 90 billion sentient land animals per year alone is for most good enough to stop supporting it. I have surrendered that argument for most discussions because it is hard to have that empathy while it is a part in your live. It wasn’t for me, although is was not challenged in that view back then. So now my arguments moved more towards egoism which sometimes works.

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          Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take.

          i’m sure that’s not true.

          edit: i was right.

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        Veganism is the movement which has the highest potential to change society and is a huge impact on the environment. (IPCC: biggest single step one can take / even without fossile fuels our current food system will still contribute with +2°C to global warming)

        And it does not take away from any other activity we should pursue in the fight for climate, while ending support for some billionaires like Wesley Batista