Yep. It’s truly been an election that’s not missing drama. Two assassination attempts, sitting president dropping out with 4 months left, open fascism, couch fucking, non-white female runner for the first time, all polls absolutely incorrect… Just to get an orange shit heap to fuck over Ukraine, Palestine and our climate. Could Igo back to the boring Obama years, please?
Again the polls seemed to be OK. I need to have the article ready with the headline “We are a normal polling error away from a landslide victory for either candidate”.
Actually, no. If the landslide victory was within the normal polling error, like it was, you would see some polls giving a big margin for Harris, some for Trump and some having them tied. When all polls are indicating a very close race, something is off. Perhaps bad sampling, people refusing to reveal their candidate or some sort of consensus seeking in the polling methodology.
I said all along that there’s no such thing as an undecided voters jn this election. There are voters who want to not have trump and then everybody else. The everybody else part are all traitors to what this country stands for.
No it’s not. Voter disenfranchisement is more advanced than it previously was, especially for minority voters, and it may not have been a real choice not to vote, but rather last moment voter roll purges, late absentee ballots, or simply not being able to make it through the line before closing time. Even if it was just a lack of motivation, inertia is not the same as accelerationism even though they have the same effect, and it’s reasonable to be curious about whether people stayed home or specifically voted for a person who’s been pretty heavily targeting them this campaign season.
I think the pandemic also played huge a part (obviously). People were worried about going out, so they sent mail in ballots. On top of that a lot of people were at home. They had nothing to do and Trump was botching things so badly, going to the polls wasn’t a chore. A little scary? Maybe.
A lot of those people may have been stuck at work this time around. We need to make Election Day a federal holiday.
Not that anyone in power will be motivated to do such a thing.
It blows my mind that Donald Trump is so popular. I can’t understand it at all. I really can’t. I didn’t cry this time around though. I knew it was possible at least.
No it’s not. People won’t participate in a system they feel only exists to harm them. If i am at a bar and one bartender says they are gonna kill me if i dont tip 50% and the other bar tender says that they’ll only rough me up a bit if i I don’t tip 30%, not getting a drink from either.
People would rather not participate instead of legitimize a system that only does them harm.
People have been screaming at you for 8 years that “Not Trump” is not a viable election strategy. You need to offer an actual, concrete alternative. Until the Democrats start actually offer real alternatives, they will continue to be shocked these results.
I don’t need to offer anything. I’m from a country with a parliament, ranked choice voting, proportional representation. But if you still don’t get that not Trump should absolutely be better than “whatever, I guess”, you deserve what’s coming.
Punishment? No. To get exactly what they actively chose to make happen? Of course.
Interesting that you’d frame “consequences if their actions” as “punishment”. Because punishment is usually a consequence of your actions, while not all consequences are punishment.
I was I could blame the patriarchy but the numbers are consistent for dem votes going back to 2004.
The extra people who voted in 2020 didn’t show up again.
Sure is!.. and deciding to change candidate without a democratic primary was part of finding that out.
Gen-Z men also shifted towards Trump.
So progress is unfortunately not linear, but can slip back to darker times. Which is not great.
Edit: Also, though I think lots of Trump voters vote for him because he’s unusual. They see him as a vote against the usual. Against establishment candidates, and against the standard social-political contract. So establishment candidates being disconnected from what voters actually want is a big part of it.
How about this: minorities shifted TOWARDS Trump!
Yep. It’s truly been an election that’s not missing drama. Two assassination attempts, sitting president dropping out with 4 months left, open fascism, couch fucking, non-white female runner for the first time, all polls absolutely incorrect… Just to get an orange shit heap to fuck over Ukraine, Palestine and our climate. Could Igo back to the boring Obama years, please?
Those assignation attempts were cover for when the Heritage Foundariin assassinate the unstable idiot. They’ll martyr him.
'member when one of the highlights was “these two should settle it with a pokemon battle”?
Again the polls seemed to be OK. I need to have the article ready with the headline “We are a normal polling error away from a landslide victory for either candidate”.
Actually, no. If the landslide victory was within the normal polling error, like it was, you would see some polls giving a big margin for Harris, some for Trump and some having them tied. When all polls are indicating a very close race, something is off. Perhaps bad sampling, people refusing to reveal their candidate or some sort of consensus seeking in the polling methodology.
I said all along that there’s no such thing as an undecided voters jn this election. There are voters who want to not have trump and then everybody else. The everybody else part are all traitors to what this country stands for.
Shifted, or did the minorities who previously voted for Democrats stay home this time?
It’s both. Diaper boy did better than ever with black and hispanic voters. Turnout was also lower.
That is a distinction without a difference.
No it’s not. Voter disenfranchisement is more advanced than it previously was, especially for minority voters, and it may not have been a real choice not to vote, but rather last moment voter roll purges, late absentee ballots, or simply not being able to make it through the line before closing time. Even if it was just a lack of motivation, inertia is not the same as accelerationism even though they have the same effect, and it’s reasonable to be curious about whether people stayed home or specifically voted for a person who’s been pretty heavily targeting them this campaign season.
Finding out why people stayed home is essential.
According to all my convos dems weren’t progressive enough to let win. Sooo they let Trump win…
That’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pans out.
Well if the dems shatter it will guarantee GOP victory for years.
I wish they went with my plan and kept teaming up against the GOP for now and then turn on the dems once the nazis are out.
Though i get the feeling if everyone did, the dems would end being being just like the GOP once they see all the free votes sitting there.
I think the pandemic also played huge a part (obviously). People were worried about going out, so they sent mail in ballots. On top of that a lot of people were at home. They had nothing to do and Trump was botching things so badly, going to the polls wasn’t a chore. A little scary? Maybe.
A lot of those people may have been stuck at work this time around. We need to make Election Day a federal holiday.
Not that anyone in power will be motivated to do such a thing.
It blows my mind that Donald Trump is so popular. I can’t understand it at all. I really can’t. I didn’t cry this time around though. I knew it was possible at least.
It isn’t really since we know that low turnout elections tend to lean to the right.
No it’s not. People won’t participate in a system they feel only exists to harm them. If i am at a bar and one bartender says they are gonna kill me if i dont tip 50% and the other bar tender says that they’ll only rough me up a bit if i I don’t tip 30%, not getting a drink from either.
People would rather not participate instead of legitimize a system that only does them harm.
OK but the first guy is still going to kill you
I’m really hoping that this wasn’t the reasoning people had for throwing the planet under the bus
People have been screaming at you for 8 years that “Not Trump” is not a viable election strategy. You need to offer an actual, concrete alternative. Until the Democrats start actually offer real alternatives, they will continue to be shocked these results.
I don’t need to offer anything. I’m from a country with a parliament, ranked choice voting, proportional representation. But if you still don’t get that not Trump should absolutely be better than “whatever, I guess”, you deserve what’s coming.
So you believe that people who don’t vote for what you want deserve punishment?
Punishment? No. To get exactly what they actively chose to make happen? Of course.
Interesting that you’d frame “consequences if their actions” as “punishment”. Because punishment is usually a consequence of your actions, while not all consequences are punishment.
People are sexist, who knew? The patriarchy is alive and thriving.
I was I could blame the patriarchy but the numbers are consistent for dem votes going back to 2004. The extra people who voted in 2020 didn’t show up again.
Sure is!.. and deciding to change candidate without a democratic primary was part of finding that out.
Gen-Z men also shifted towards Trump.
So progress is unfortunately not linear, but can slip back to darker times. Which is not great.
Edit: Also, though I think lots of Trump voters vote for him because he’s unusual. They see him as a vote against the usual. Against establishment candidates, and against the standard social-political contract. So establishment candidates being disconnected from what voters actually want is a big part of it.