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Depending on your definition, this actually is not peak performance.
Subways are.
Obviously, the tunnels are absurdly expensive, but nothing moves as many people as quickly around a city as a subway.
They’re also extremely reliable, meaning people are even more likely to actually use them, and their above-ground footprint is essentially zero.
Subways are for mobility (moving large numbers of people rapidly); trams are for access (getting you close to your destination). They complement each other and a well-designed city would have both.
STOP I can only get so erect
You’re going to make me write a cute green-urbania fiction of my self-insert walking around a beautiful city with parks everywhere and using the sub-rails to go far distances and then get on cute retro san francisco style over land trams to make my way to walk-only brick roads and then walk to some book store, the corners piled high with books, with books stacked outside the store under a cloth awning, owned by a wise old man of unclear nationality who spends his days reading the books he sells, who knows me well enough to offer a glass of tea.
😩
me like tramz
Just today I saw this list of the largest tram networks in history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_tram_and_light_rail_transit_systems_ever
The largest existing one is Melbourne, at a little over 250 km of tramways. Los Angeles at its peak had over 1700 km of tramways.
Truly insane what we tore up. A crime against humanity.
Truly insane what we tore up.
Didn’t know much about this so just looked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
Why does every problem ever always boil down to capitalism?
I think many of them simply got converted to sub ways and such.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suburban_and_commuter_rail_systems
Please go back to the fuck cars subLemmy or whatever the fuck it’s called. I don’t want to also block 196 for being annoying as shit about weird topics that don’t make sense and you can’t back up.
You havent Been in 196 for long have you?
I have. There is a lot of actually good memes and then once in a while some fucker posts here instead of a community that I have blocked like fuck cars or politics.
Oh no a single post you don’t like, better comment on it and threaten block instead of just scrolling a little
don’t make sense and you can’t back up
Wrong and wrong?
Trains are more space-efficient than cars and can therefore solve traffic congestion.
There you go. Not that difficult to grasp.
Trains are barely more space efficient and what would we do with current roads for cars anywhere? If we just leave them there, nothing would be gained. And cars are just easier to travel by and make more sense in general.
make more sense in general
That’s a meaningless statement
barely more space efficient
By barely you mean 20 fold?
See, this is why I don’t like these posts. You have to keep in mind that the train won’t be at that capacity because it is more limited in where it can go and when. Sure, if you are like going across a country it’s alright, and I don’t disagree, I’ve actually used trains for that. But as soon as it becomes the only source of transportation, we have issues.
This post literally has car lanes in the fucking picture so get your strawman out of here
So then are we really saving space if we keep it there or are we just using more to make train tracks?
The problem with having only car lanes is that they’ll always be congested, no matter how many lanes you add (look up induced demand). Trains have so much more capacity that we don’t run into this issue.
Basically, 4 car lanes=traffic jams twice a day vs. 2 car lanes + 2 train tracks= traffic flowing freely.
Of course a subway would be even nicer but those aren’t always an option because tunneling is expensive
No thanks. I don’t want to be at the mercy of some driver who can and will deny people service however and for whatever reason they please.
By law, they can not.
Ohh yes they can, and they do, all the time. Laws can’t protect people against their behavior because laws are enforced after the fact. Prevention is key here.
Self-driving future doesn’t seem to be that far away, and I imagine it to be even simpler on rails. Either way, the key is to get people off those nasty things they call “cars” and take it from there.
Self driving trains have been around for years
No they don’t. I have been taking public transit for decades too, and I’ve never heard of drivers refusing passengers. They just stop at each stop, like that’s their job?
What you have experienced seems to be a local problem, yet you apply it to public transit in general, everywhere.
I think your initial comment is also a strawman, because the meme never suggested banning cars. In fact you can see a car lane on the right. Having trams in a city doesn’t make you be at their mercy, you can instead ride a bike or a car if you want.
Man, it’s gotta suck being this afraid of everyone.
It sucks being justified in being afraid, yes. And I am very, very justified in my stance, not just by historical standards but through personal experience and experiences of the people I care about. Public transport is the pits and a last resort people are forced to be dependent on for poverty. It CAN’T be the way forward for our people.
You’re entitled to your incorrect opinion. I like mass transit for reasons like removing my need to pay attention for every second of a trip, for much reduced cost per mile, and for meeting/looking at interesting people.
Most people seem to agree. You can’t move a coffee table on it (though I have, my apologies from a now-wisened teenager), but that’s what stuff like car share services can step in on.
Who’s denying you service, and why? The driver is way at the front of the train, what are you on about?
Yep, my lifetime of assault and harassment on public transit is just an incorrect opinion. Fuck my lived experiences and those of everyone else, the only perspective that matters is your own because all that matters is you getting what you want.
Ugh. Just ugh.
Alright grumpy, calm down. I’ll repeat the question: what happened? That’s as much energy as I’m willing to give the weak crying.
Literally 1.7 billion rides on the NYC subway system in 2019, it seems to work great for us. I dress in weird shiny rubber clothes sometimes while going to a party or whatever, I get looks of curiosity or derision from other passengers sometimes, and I don’t give a shit. Are you just that sensitive?
Wow, holy shit, your best response is childish name calling and tone policing.
Everyone, this is what abusive people do when they are willing to be immoral to get what they want. When faced with a legitimate grievance they can’t refute, they attack the person, in this case in the most blatantly childish way possible.
Basically he knows forcing people to use public transit will cause innocent people to suffer more violence but he doesn’t care about that, he only cares about his feelings and he’s willing to force you to be beaten, assaulted, even killed to get his way.
Think of your daughters and wives who would be groped, beaten, sexually assaulted, and murdered in the name of appeasing this hopeless retard, and then ignore him.
I don’t agree with your conclusion that public transit is responsible for assault and murder.
What you are essentially suggesting is breaking up society and isolating everyone so people can’t harm each other. That is an extreme solution to this problem
You also forget about all the people suffering from cars: thousands of deaths each year (compared to how many in subways?) from accidents and pollution.
I’ve lived in cities with trams for the past 10 years and i think buses are less cool but more practical. Installing the rails is expensive and disruptive, they take a lot of room on the street (with the stop included), and if a tram gets stuck the next one can’t go around, it just sits there and waits.
Busses get delayed/stuck way more often
Zooms out to show the street
devils advocate:
- branches would fall in the tracks
- wild animals might populate and then get harmed.
- not citing pros
- both can probably be mostly solved fairly easily i think
-concidering it is in the middle of a city there are basialy no wild animals -this isnt more dangerous to the remaining few than any 4 lane Road -there are city maintenance workers who take care of the trees -during realy bad storms there are also branches on the streets
vs
1 billion different advantages
The actuall biggest problem would be leaves on the rails in autumn.
There are plenty wild animals in large cities. Foxes, rabits, racoons … Berlin famously has a large boar population. Having a more human friendly city with green tram lines and less car traffic will surely increase animal populations. However I doubt it would be a problem that isn’t easily solvable or is still preferable to the current situation.
What’s not to like?
Green space being used for vehicles instead of for people, even if it is public transport.
It can and should be both whenever possible.
Unlike roads that need to be completely covered in asphalt, rail only needs, well, rails. The rest can be occupied with greenery, and this is a fantastic example of doing just that.
It is still visually pleasing, still captures CO2, and as a bonus reduces noise coming from the trams. Everybody wins!
Don’t forget that green areas such as this massively cool cities as well (compared to asphalt).
Something which is becoming increasingly important due to climate change.
I’m stuck in stupid America, but my British friends tell me of regular rail delays because of leaves on the rails. I assume that isn’t a problem with these trains, so why is this a problem in the UK?
Maybe they’re just taking a piss? Same for the whole train system shutting down due to a single snowflake.
I’ve been looking into it since I posted that and apparently it makes the rails slippery and the trains have to slow down because of it and trains have to slow down because of it.
https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/leaves-line
So I guess the answer is that these trains have to slow down too.
This looks more like a tram than a train and they don’t go fast anyway, so I don’t think they’d need to slow down.
Probably true. I didn’t realize it was a speed issue until I read up on it.
From what I experience on the subway and tram on rainy days is that starting from a stop is also tricky, since steel wheels on steel tracks have not a lot of grip on rainy days, leaves make it worse, so the wheels spin in place and it feels like a slow, rocky start.
So I figure they also drive a little slower overall not miss the stop.
Huh, I’m riding the tram/subway frequently and never noticed any issue when it’s raining.
Maybe your trams have fewer powered axles? I know of a city whose trams solely have powered axles, allowing them to drive on unusually steep gradients in any weather.
My city is pretty flat, so I’d guess that they don’t need all powered axles? In the subways it happens more frequently on the longer trains, that are full, so during peak hours.
