• SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world
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    I work in the Dutch public sector in IT, but with a few years of experience, I’m already beyond 4k/mo.

    Sounds like the union isn’t pulling it’s weight…

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      In this case the Unions and HRs rigidity could be part of the problem.

      They tend to make groups based on formal qualifiaction. E.g. all trade apprentices get similiar salaries, all trade masters, all bachelor degrees and all master degrees (simplified).

      So a person with just a formal trade apprentice, but great experience and proven know-how will still get a much lower salary than a recently graduates business degree “idiot” who mostly managed to study based on his parents pushing him through.

      I’ve seen Job ads for cloud experts, who are supposed to organize an infrastructure over multiple data centres, running hundreds of different services in a heightened security environment offered around 3k. The Operations people said that this does not need a masters degree, because they didn’t want to filter out all the self taught people, and then HR and the Union reps said this is a trade level position so it gets a trade level salary.

      From what i understood with the complexity of the IT landscape they would have needed to offer more around 6-7k to find people.

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      2 months ago

      You’re net salary is beyond 4k? Are you hiring?

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          Because the German salary is net and I thus assumed that the Dutch salary is as well.

          What do you mean by ”sudden”?

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            2 months ago

            Why net? In Sweden we only ever talk about gross, or as we save “before taxes”, as it varies around the country.

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              Germans do too, no idea what OC was thinking about. It indeed doesn’t make sense to talk about net as that changes with personal circumstances.

              The group E12 that was mentioned starts at 4170€/ month gross. That’s just under the German average wage (but above Median).

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              2 months ago

              Same in the Netherlands, so I’d assume the Dutch salary is gross as well.

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              2 months ago

              Why net?

              Because E12 refers to a very specific salary table. Hence the German salary must be net.

              Why would you compare Net and gross salaries?

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        2 months ago

        Those jobs exist, and are hiring. My company (US-based, Software, between 1k and 10k employees) is hiring architects in Germany (anywhere, 100% remote) for significantly over 4k net. Starting salary is over 100k, plus a nice RSU package (4 year vest with 1 year cliff). Other similar companies offer comparable compensation packages.

        We do require a quite wide tech knowledge and good communication (customer interaction is part of the job, sometimes public speaking). It is not as relaxed as public sector, tho, most weeks are over 40h. Some traveling required, too.

        If anyone is interested feel free to ping me (full disclosure: Iget a 5k USD referral bonus if you get hired and pass the Probezeit).

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          Got the knowledge I think, but not the spunk for the hours. You wouldn’t hire 4 days a week would you :-) ?

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            2 months ago

            Feel free to pm me if you have any questions :)

            Something I forgot to add above: since the position requires speaking with customers, most countries require fluent local language (apparently with the exception of Scandinavia).

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      Weirdly, I work for an international company that does location-based pay, and the pay scales in the Netherlands are about 9% lower than those in Germany 😒

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      Sounds more like the union is not needed at all in that sector. 2500€/month is a fine starting pay, especially if it rises so rapidly.