Just in case you had any doubt about whether he intends to stage another coup attempt if he loses.
The modern equivalent of
(This was at Madison Square Gardens in NYC in 1939)
With the caveat that the calls are coming from inside the house, this time.
They were then, too. You don’t think all those attendees hopped an ocean liner over from Europe for the occasion, do you?
Given the number of German ex-pats living in the US in 1939, this isn’t entirely far from the truth. The first world war and the subsequent economic collapse drove a huge wave of European immigrants to the Americas. The Nazi movement in the western hemisphere was driven in large part by German Nationalists at home appealing to the sympathies of their peers throughout North and South America in order to raise money and build international trade relations to power the revitalized German industrial base.
The current iteration of American fascism isn’t something we imported. Its got roots that go deep into the Goldwater/Reagan revolution of the late 60s/early 70s (and beyond, tbf). The hysteria aimed at Latin American migrants stems from our dirty wars south of the border intended to suppress socialist revolutions that threatened to upend cheap fruit production. The guns-for-drugs trade that followed further exacerbated the American fear of day laborers and seasonal agricultural workers was inflamed by American crime TV and talk radio. This wasn’t some German propagandist sending over his best hatchet men to stir up xenophobias at home. It was purely a product of American white nationalists stirring the pot.
Trump is an entirely American expression of the fascist state. Fully clutching the cross and draped in the American flag.
I was pretty sure that the biggest wave of German immigration to the United States was before WWI (including some of my ancestors, BTW), but I decided to double check and yep, Wikipedia agrees with me:
The largest flow of German immigration to America occurred between 1820 and World War I, during which time nearly six million Germans immigrated to the United States. From 1840 to 1880, they were the largest group of immigrants. Following the Revolutions of 1848 in the German states, a wave of political refugees fled to America, who became known as Forty-Eighters. They included professionals, journalists, and politicians. Prominent Forty-Eighters included Carl Schurz and Henry Villard.
The Wikipedia article seems to have a gap where it doesn’t say how many Germans immigrated in the 1920s, so I looked further and found this:
As for the 1930s, Wikipedia says that “many [German immigrants] were Jewish Germans or anti-Nazis fleeing government oppression,” but also that “about 25,000 people became paying members of the pro-Nazi German American Bund during the years before the war.” Looking at the chart, 25,000 would be only a small fraction of the total number of Germans who immigrated between 1918 and 1939. (However, according to that group’s article, only American citizens of German descent were allowed to be members, so that figure isn’t relevant to the number of recent German immigrants who were Nazis, despite the first article’s implication.)
TL;DR: I think the notion that those 20,000 Nazis filling Madison Square Garden were mostly post-1918 German immigrants is… unlikely, to say the least!
TL;DR: I think the notion that those 20,000 Nazis filling Madison Square Garden were mostly post-1918 German immigrants is… unlikely, to say the least!
about 25,000 people became paying members of the pro-Nazi German American Bund during the years before the war.
I mean, those numbers seem to tie out pretty neatly.
Looking at the chart, 25,000 would be only a small fraction of the total number of Germans who immigrated between 1918 and 1939.
Sure. But I’m not in any way suggesting all German migrants were Nazis. I’m saying that the American Nazi Party was primarily composed of first and second generation German migrants, heavily influenced by the media originating from their nation of origin.
In the same way, not everyone who moves from New York to Texas stays a Yankees fan. But most fans of the Yankees down in Texas have some familial relationship to New York.
That is not an equivalent - the displayed event has far bigger crowd.
This is disgusting, to state the obvious.
But also a really dumb electoral strategy, so all good!
Its not election strategy at all, this prep for a coup attempt. He knows he’s lost, and now he’s whistling off the back porch prepping his dogs to dowhat he is too dumb and fat to do on his own.
Trump hasn’t lost yet - not by a long shot - but this definitely is him preparing Plan B. This is basically just him signalling to his most loyal fans that if things don’t go their way in November, they’ll be richly awarded for another Jan 6 - only doing it “right” this time.
I disagree about this being Plan B. I honestly think this is exactly the plan and that he’s trying to steal more money from his base while building up their bloodlust.
If he wins, send the mob to pacify his opponents. If he loses, send the mob to disrupt the elections.
I also think it’s a matter of time before he finally instructs his base outright to go to the polls and make sure people are voting for the right candidate.
I think there are easier[1](https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/04/15/steal-election-lessig-president-law) ways[2](https://washingtonspectator.org/countering-the-threat-of-a-contingent-election/) to steal the election than a violent insurrection.
I don’t know why people keep saying “steal the election.” I’m sure that’s a soft goal, but as long as they can foment a civil war, profits are guaranteed.
The coup is 100% plan A. This has been Trump’s strategy since at least 2000, if not even earlier than that. Their efforts to insert partisan saboteurs into the elections bureaucracy and erode public trust not only didn’t stop after the last presidential election, they didn’t even slow down.
Love the optimism, but in no way has Trump “already lost”, nor do I think he believes that. Please make sure you and your social circle vote, volunteer, and donate to get people to the polls!
Eh, he may not know it know it, but he fears he has and this the plan b being brought closer to the fold.
But yes of course vote.
Actually winning 270+ electoral college votes was always plan B. Disrupting the counting/certification and getting put into power by a one-vote-per-state poll in the House or coronated by SCOTUS like in Bush v. Gore (which three of the current justices worked for Bush on, BTW) is 100% plan A.
I’m currently in the “blue no matter who” camp. Harris has momentum, but Trump still has an edge in the electoral college and that’s what actually matters.
Controversially, I’ll say that: there are no undecided voters. The person that will win is the one who can actually get their supporters to the polls. Last time around Trump got 74 million people to vote for him and as much as Lemmy/Reddit whatever site you visit seems to think that Harris is winning, it’s all about voter turnout.
Couldn’t the FBI… Idk
Arrest attendees based on probable cause relating to January 6th?
I thought most of them were told to stay away from each other.
At this time, everything is an election strategy.
So why don’t we, idk, lock him up until the election is over?
“We are all domestic terrorists.”
“And the award for Most Cops Punched goes to… guy in a 3 Percenter shirt with the poorly-hidden swastika tattoo on his arm! Come on up, fella!”
Who also has a thin blue line sticker on his lifted truck that never sees dirt or uses the flatbed, because everything with them is performative and signaling membership of a tribe…
Sounds like the Nazi Dundies.
awww, he didn’t care about me for 3.5 years but now before the upcoming most-likely-to-lose elections he does, so we’re good -these traitors probably
Republicans have been pretty enthusiastic in defending and absolving their fascist street thug friends. Abbott recently pardoned Daniel Perry, a guy who showed up to a BLM march and shot a woman pushing her boyfriend’s wheelchair, on the grounds that she appeared threatening to him.
Trump judges have been generally more lenient to J6ers when possible, leveeing minimal sentences when they cannot simply acquit the defendants.
And these guys have received millions in money from private far-right donors to finance their legal defense.
Doesn’t hanging out with felons violate his release conditions? Where’s his parole officer?
Trump can say he hid in the bathroom with his classified document collection during the event.
At those prices it sounds like a grift to drum up money from desperate people facing prosecution for their actions during the attack on the capital along with other seditionists.
💸🧑🚀🔫👨🚀
It sure is. There will be a cost associated with being there. Ticket purchase, a meet and greet with the former Cheeto in Chief, more money if you want a souvenir photo.
The funds from the event will reportedly go toward a Capitol riot legal fund, according to the video.
lol, suuure they will.
Trump will host an ‘awards gala’ for rioters who stormed the Capitol on January 6
Didn’t the courts already do that? I could have sworn there were some big winners already.
I don’t get it… is he gonna have it IN the prisons, or just give the awards in absentia?
Sounds like he is helping the FBI out on a sting operation in exchange for a lighter sentence.
Totally not weird
The top nominee for the weird as fuck party doing shit that’s weird as all fuck. No surprise there.
Oh my gosh! This sounds like it could go badly for his campaign in so many ways.
Imagine being awarded a $20 McDonald’s gift card by Donald Trump himself and finding out it was already redeemed when you go to use it.
“Accessory after the fact.”
