• PlexSheep@feddit.de
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    10 months ago

    I just switched from fedora 39 plasma to green debian, it’s been very pleasant to have “it just works os” take care of things, including X11 just doing it’s regular old thing.

    But if course, Wayland is the future and I will happily use it by the time it becomes stable enough for a debian release. Go Wayland!

    • WFH@lemm.eeEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Debian has had Wayland for ages tho. It’s the default for Gnome since 2019.

            • PlexSheep@feddit.de
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              10 months ago

              The whole point of using Linux is the freedom that we can use what we want. Don’t play down other DEs you might not like, because the variety is what makes our environment amazing.

              • Pantherina@feddit.de
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                10 months ago

                You can use what you want. I just say X11 is not developed anymore really, since years. It is decades old and insecure by design. Wayland just works, if not supported XWayland is chosen automatically.

                If you use MacOS or Windows today, you will see that Linux has no permission system at all. This is simply insecure.

  • HouseWolf@lemm.eeEnglish
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    10 months ago

    As a Linux newcomer the Wayland/X11 thing has been the most confusing thing I’ve witnessed.

    Surely the average person will just use what works best on their system at that time? I don’t get people wishing to throw Wayland in the trash or the people who take issue with people still using X11.

    Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.

    • A7thStone@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      It’s an age old Linux tradition. We argue about window managers, init systems, sound systems, and anything else we can. Often it’s because people have built a hacked together system based on what used to work for them. Relevant XKCD

    • 30p87@feddit.de
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      10 months ago

      More people using Wayland would mean faster development of Wayland, and developers being more pressured to natively support it. Especially Nvidia and Electron support is still horrible. And especially from a security standpoint, Wayland is just better.
      On my Nvidia desktop, there are tons of glitches, especially in games and other demanding apps (as well as electron). On my Intel Laptop, everything is perfectly fine. So good in fact, that I only see one difference to X11: The better security.

      • jasondj@ttrpg.network
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        10 months ago

        Ubuntu LTS and 23.x are both Xorg. Latest has Wayland. If 24.04 is to be LTS though, I don’t think they’d release it with Wayland as default. I’d think they’d switch to Wayland on 24.10 so there’s 3 more releases to get good before the next LTS build.

        • Pantherina@feddit.de
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          10 months ago

          Damn… so StudioOne on their “Linux info page” was wrong. They only support Ubuntu (sigh…) but also only Wayland.

          A good start for a Flatpak? Maybe if it wasnt proprietary…

          • jasondj@ttrpg.network
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            10 months ago

            Possible I’m wrong? I was going against the Distrowatch details since I was just looking at them a couple hours before I replied: https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=ubuntu

            I don’t usually “trust” vendor support for Linux though…Linux is usually a second-class citizen and “support” means there is either a single grey-beard or an intern that’s answering emails about it. Idk about StudioOne, but unfortunately it’s usually expected to not have feature parity or complete documentation for commercial software on Linux. IME, YMMV, etc.

            • Pantherina@feddit.de
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              10 months ago

              They dont support it at all currently but have an experimental version. As if that was too much, with their software costing 200€+