President Trump said he would talk to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney about making Canada the 51st state. But the president said he didn’t expect it to get to the point of using military force — though he wouldn’t commit to the same for Greenland.
“Something could happen with Greenland, I’ll be honest,” Trump said in an interview with NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that aired on Sunday. He said that “we need that for national and international security,” but he added “I don’t see it with Canada. I just don’t see it.”
Americans aren’t doing anything about it. Just sitting there taking it. If you’re not doing anything to fight Trump then as far as I’m concerned you’re part of the problem.
Put NATO forces there so the US would invoke the mutual defense clause.
There are already NATO forces there. Specifically Denmark and USA
Well the US forces are the issue, right? Denmark has neglected Greenland militarily for years. Under the NATO treaty they don’t HAVE to respond to an attack on a member so if there were forces from other members there it would greatly increase the likelihood of a joint response.
US Sends Troops to Greenland to Defend it From US Troops
Or see how fast they withdraw from NATO and form a new alliance.
According to Article 13 of the 1949 NATO treaty, members can declare their withdrawal, but the document does not provide for a member to be expelled. The only measure the treaty provides to sanction serious violations of the alliance’s principles is a joint decision by the other member states to restrict or suspend cooperation.
The US military is such an essential part of NATO that if they don’t withdraw, a new alliance should definitely be made.
Trump sounds more like Putin every hour.
Why is he so obsessed with Greenland?
Mineral resources, especially since the ice is melting. They don’t believe in global warming but they accept that the ice cap is melting. Then there are fishing rights around it. Finally it would control a chunk of the arctic ocean at a time when the north ice cap is melting.
They believe in global warming. They just say they don’t because they’re lying psychopaths who would kill millions for their own gain.
Shipping routes will be there in the not-so-far future when the ice is gone.
Easy target from his perspective. Would draw Nato resources away from Ukraine, so his boss would be pleased.
When Trump does something incomprehensibly useless from an American perspective, always ask “What’s in it for Putin?” and you may find you get answers.
Cause Peter Thiel (billionaire) wants to build a billionaire’s bunker there for the apocalypse.
Theres a few reasons but it would be a huge military advantage, not that I agree with it
Natural resources perhaps?
He probably thinks it’s actually green.
Damn right. Cause the US would deputize 40 million insurgents both in and out of Canada if they ever tried.
It would be a very stupid and long battle for nothing
We’d take so many with us. And we’d go full scorched Earth.
I look forward to his funeral
The Margaret Thatcher of the US.
It’s a little different:
Thatcher fucked the kids.
Donald Trump fucks kids.
Maggie the milk snatcher vs. Donnie the Diddler.
Only if that kid was a better shot.
I consider the US our enemy. Even if we come to an agreement at this point, it’s the duty of every Canadian to backstab the US when such an opportunity arises. There can no longer be peaceful co-existence unless the US is split apart. Every Canadian employed by an american employer should start stealing IP and sabotaging operations. This is just the beginning.
This is plain dumb and the same rhetoric that got America into its fascist me first bullshit policy in the first place.
The system got hijacked. The people speaking out are getting arrested and deported to a foreign death camp. The US will course correct, or need help doing so.
Sit your militant LARPIng troll ass down and let the adults figure this shit out. A war is not good for either country, nor is a need for constant paranoia like you’re suggesting.
“Im gonna punch you but calm down. Stop acting tough. Punching me back will only escalate things. Thats how we got here in the first place. Its your fault Im gonna punch you.”
This is why the world hates Americans right now.
I could start WWIII, I can see that happening
Don’t you love trump?
There is no way, in hell, that Trump plans on making Canadians into American citizens. Why would he add the equivalent of another California to the voting population. No Canadian will ever cast a vote in favor of the political party that took their country from them.
What version of statehood is he envisioning here?
The scariest part here is that the Republicans are acting, in every way, like they will never be subject to a legitimate vote again.
It’s only rumours so far, but according to the new president nobody is going to vote ever again, soo
There is no way, in hell, that Trump plans on making Canadians into American voters
citizens.We’ll be like Guam or Puerto Rico.
They already answered this question. They would use procedural rules to prevent Canadian votes from mattering, the same as they have done in the US in many states.
The scariest part here is that the Republicans are acting, in every way, like they will never be subject to a legitimate vote again.
I thought that’s the plan?!
Because Putin promised Canada to him, in exchange for Alaska.
And you only care what the people think if you think they can hold you accountable in some way. Without elections, and with the largest military in history willing to fire on American citizens, the opinion of the people is irrelevant.
Making us citizens and giving us statehood are two different things, and I could see the former, but not the latter. Not that we would join willingly in the first place
Then he needs to stop calling it a 51st. A state can vote. A territory cannot.
Let’s stop debating the details of a stupid plan. Trump deserves total, unreserved opposition, not submissive "well, actually…"s.
Do US territories legit get no representation in government?
In Canada the territories are a riding, thus have a seat in Parliament (A massive one due to their small and spare population)
No, only states do. Although territories have members in congress, they can’t vote on any legislation. They have a government set up by Congress and pretty much oversee themselves with no ability to influence elections or laws in the states. The last territory to become a state was Hawaii. Territories are land grabs, statehood comes after that.
Canada would unfortunately be a land grab for the resources and nothing else for Trump. It would be ravaged and the people of Canada would suffer greatly for it without an ounce of ability to do anything about it.
They get non-voting representatives in congress.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-voting_members_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
There’s no way he was ever serious about it, but i can’t for the life of me figure out his plan. Only thing i can figure is that it was some kind of negotiation tactic involving Greenland.
And this is where you’re not paying attention. He is serious. He has always been serious. Canada’s leaders are taking the threat seriously, so why would you think he isn’t serious? He is unstable, and taking marching orders from Putin.
I need a lot more evidence before buying into wild conspiracy theories about our top level of government being compromised by foreign countries. Canadian politicians are not taking it seriously except for how they can leverage it to their benefit. Carney won because of it, so I can’t blame him.
It literally is not a conspiracy. Trump is saying he is serious. Multiple govt officials in Canada are taking it seriously. Just because you refuse to believe an insane person would do something insane, doesn’t make it a conspiracy.
That’s because they know the fix is in. Here are the receipts
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
The fact that he’s even entertaining this is insane. He needs to be removed from office. Fuck the media for reporting on it like this is just one side of an argument that makes any kind of sense.
Reminder to the military: you are not required to follow illegal orders. In fact, you are duty-bound to disobey them
I’m quite positive, whether he invades a sovereign nation or not, in some time – be it five years, ten, or more – we’ll have our own version of the Nuremberg trials. Whoever is still alive that perpetrated or participated in this rape of democracy will be held accountable, someday, because all dictatorships fall.
The only question is how many people have to suffer before then.
America today is not substantially different to the America that dropped more tonnage of bombs on each of Laos and Cambodia than were dropped by the Allies during the whole of WW2, destroying whole villages and murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in stark violation of international law and the Geneva Convention.
Nobody came even close to being brought to justice for that, so why would things be any different now?
Except no mercy this time. No plucking any of them out of the trials to build rockets or create federal intelligence agencies or cutting any deals like the USA did with the Nazi’s. Fascists don’t believe in mercy anyway so why show them any?
I hope that you’re right, but it does need to be pointed out that Nazi Germany didn’t have thousands of strategic nukes
I want to see leavitt do the march to prison. She is the present day Otto.
It took a whole world war and everyone bagging on Germany/Japan for something like that to happen.
In order for history to repeat, we’d need to have everyone in the world team up against the US.
Not really, just for someone who comes after him to hold him and his cronies accountable. And there will be someone after him, sooner or later, that will. It might not be his immediate successor, or his successor’s successor. But people aren’t going to forget about this.
Imagine we just waited in 1944 for someone to succeed Hitler
I mean, Hitler was not in his late 70s, but his mid fifties. Chances were quite good that, were it not for the Allied invasion and his cowardice, he could’ve lived naturally another ten or twenty years (his health was shit but that was mostly down to drug use, and hey, Ozzy Osbourne is still alive, it could’ve happened), so yeah he kind of had to be stopped.
Donald Trump, the way he eats, you think he’s going to live past his term? That he’s going to be lucid enough by the end of it, to try and hang on to power? Nah, man, by that time they’ll have convinced him to live out his remaining time (if he doesn’t die in office) at Mar-A-Lago after endorsing a Heritage-Foundation-approved successor for the 2028 race, and hope his endorsement carries that candidate to victory. That way they don’t have to try and remove the two-term limit. They kiss his ass, make him feel like a living god-king, maybe even have him meet with said successor on a regular basis to placate him into believing he still actually runs things.
Now, could they try repealing the 22nd amendment? sure, but it’d be far easier to convince an 82 year old senile narcissist he’s still the BMOC pulling the strings. It also has far better optics.
Donald Trump, the way he eats, you think he’s going to live past his term?
I think he will. I think he could outlive many of us. Modern healthcare is incredible, when you can afford your own team of doctors it’s even better.
That he’s going to be lucid enough by the end of it, to try and hang on to power?
True, he probably won’t be, but it’s still possible. I think it’s a real concern.
He could also live for 20 years, statistics wouldn’t say so but there is always an odd one out. Also, he doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink, doesn’t drive. So I wouldn’t choose to ‘just wait it out’. Especially considering the longer he is in power, the more likely it becomes the next one in his place isn’t there because of free and fair elections. Again, I wouldn’t choose to just wait it out.
Oh my point isn’t that waiting will fix the problem, just that there will be an “after trump”, whether he likes it or not
An invasion of Greenland, or Canada, wouldn’t necessarily be unlawful.
Remember 9/11? Remember George Bush asking Congress to approve his use of military force to hunt down the suspects?
Well that Authorization for the Use of Military Force, unlike any prior which had clearly defined limitations, was simply against “terror” and set to expire “never.”
One member of Congress refused to vote for this, precisely because she understood that Congress was effectively forever giving up its ability to determine when and how the President was allowed to deploy the military. She got death threats. She was right.
All Trump has to do is “find” a terrorist threat in a country, and he’s allowed to send US troops there. Remember how he recently decided that fentanyl is a weapon of mass destruction? Yeah.
He’s already trying with the Mexican gang in Canada. Congress are well aware of this strategy and it has been a talking point one the floor. It’s actually been said that US is more a threat to Canada not the other way around. In which more fentanyl and illegal immigrants pass the border from the US to Canada. I mean he has that angle in which he can complain about the Mexican gang but then he has to also admit he is also responsible for putting them in Canada. Cuz the US is the only path to Canada from Mexico.
You’re trying to use logic against a man who only uses logic when he needs it to make his plans sound legit to rational thinkers
You’re thinking if us laws, but we’re talking about international law
Lol, that was funny. The powerful in the US don’t even care about domestic law, let alone international law, which has even less of an enforcement mechanism without the risk of starting an international conflict.
It’s the same reason why Netanyahu and Putin haven’t been arrested even though they have warrants out for their arrest by the ICJ.
The US deliberately does not subject itself to international laws, because it breaks them routinely. It is a rogue state in that regard, and it did not start with Trump or even Bush.
The US already attacked Canada using one of its propaganda tools: Facebook. This is cyberwarfare.
Facebook bombarded Canadian audience with right wing propaganda during the election.
Some have tried to argue that it’s actually facebook trying to get revenge for Canadian courts eliminating the cbc from social media feeds. Does that make any sense? They don’t care if canada doesn’t get news. They want that since they were curating those news feeds with stilted inflammatory content like many right wingers wanted in the first place.
Threatening war on an ally, a member of the EU and UN; while helping the enemy.
That’s not what a russian asset would do…
Forcing the UN to split their forces between Ukraine and Greenland…
Totally not what a Russian asset would do.
Well shit… I don’t know how I did not see this angle. He doesn’t even have to deal with the back lash of dead US soldiers for a war nobody in their right mind will support… he just needs to present a legitimate enough threat to divide NATO forces. For fucks sake, I can’t wait for the morning I wake up to find out he is dead. Edited a word
The UN is not an alliance. Perhaps you were thinking of NATO?
“Something could happen”? Motherfucker, you either make it happen or not. It’s not something that’s bestowed upon us from the sky
Both are a threat with violence and war to independent states, let there be no mistake.
This should not just be condemned politically by every other country, they should boycot the usa
