This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.

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    Full interview is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwCUPttprw

    I really wish some of these reporters would dig in and challenge him. I get that its uncomfortable, but that’s your job.

    His questions should have been:

    • Do you think he has MS13, marijuana, smile, cross, skull tattooed on his hands? And not added with Photoshop later?
    • Are you saying this combination of tattoos is a code to identify him as a member of MS13? Because gang experts have cast doubt on this interpretation.
    • How many other MS13 members have this exact combination of tattoos on his hand? If its a sign of being a member of the gang, others should have it as well.
    • Do you think a vague and symbolic tattoo is proof of belonging to criminal organization?
    • Does this make your Secretary of Defense a white supremacist? Because he has numerous tattoos associated with that ideology.
    • Do you have any real proof Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13? And if so why did your administration appeal his protected status in 2019?
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      Fully agree, however, the press has done that before and he just shuts down the question with some remark about the reporter and if they press, he walks out. Aside from physical restraint, I don’t think we will see him submit to any real questioning.

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    I had a long drawn out argument with a guy who insisted that HitlerPig was saying that the “tattoo” was just labelling his other tattoos, despite his original post clearly calling it a tattoo, and multiple sunsequent statements insisting it was a tattoo.

    Obviously it wasn’t a tattoo, and this guy was insistent that HitlerPig never claimed it was, when he did, over and over, and here he is, still sticking to it.

    The point is that these people believe whatever nonsense they make up is the truth, despite all evidence to the contrary.

    “Dont bother me with facts, my mind’s made up.”

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      The real reason he will justify this bullshit like that is because he has to admit hes racist otherwise, “if hes brown I want him gone from my town” basically. Ask him if we should be deporting white right wing gang members based on their tattoos and show him cropped photos of Hegseths tats.

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    Honestly I’m curious how the hell skull is even supposed to symbolize 3. A cross meaning one because “one true god” is a bit of a stretch too but the skull?

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      I think it’s because skull is cráneo in Spanish and so it starts with C, which is the third letter of the alphabet

      That’s how conspiracy theories work. Mostly with dumb shit

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        I mean, gangs use symbology in their tattoos all the time. Same with Nazis. I’m not saying that’s what his tattoos mean at all, it’s just that such tattoos absolutely exist and are common.

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      Explanation that I saw was that there are three holes - eyes and nose - in the skull. You know, besides the gaping mouth.

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    Why does anyone even ask that compulsive liar questions any more? You’ll never get a straight answer, and he’ll just start calling you names if he doesn’t like the question, which is most of them these days. Why bother?

    I’d like to see a silent press conference. “Is anyone going to ask a question?” “Is it worth it?”

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      So just to be fair, whoever made that tried to illustrate that the 4 symbols - in their imagination - represent “M S 1 3”. Which in itself is ludicrous. And even if they did, that’s still no reason to deport him.

      Anyhoo, Trump’s reply when someone dared try to explain this to him:

      “That was Photoshopped? Terry, they’re giving you the big break of a lifetime. You’re doing the interview. I picked you because, frankly, I’d never heard of you, but that’s OK,” Trump said. “You’re not being very nice.”

      This is everyday tyranny in action. It’s also very dumb and very delusional. Louis XIV levels.

      How is this farce still going on?

      But then, just yesterday I learned a little about El Salvador and their idiot president. Who am I kidding. As long as the people go with it, it’s possible no matter how ludicrous. I still say it’s social media algorithms that got us here.

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      What is weird is that his wife did censor a photo of his hands in on of their photos recently. I feel like this is an easy thing to prove. Who knows. But we should be a bit more skeptical. Not just of Trump but our own sources.

      Why the down votes. If I’m wrong on this, let me know. But let’s not bury our heads on things.

      Even if MS13 he should have due process. That process is where all these questions get answered. Without it we have this shit show. But let’s not let our political vibe cause us to not question things or be skeptical. Nobody should dig in on an issue and deny based on vibes

      I don’t have many social media accounts but is this legit?

      Www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcias-wife-covered-his-knuckle-tattoos-in-old-post-trump-says-101745016615149-amp.html

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        That’s practically dead centre in the photo, you know, the place where people will tend to put text and emojis in the photos they take?

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          That could be it but I don’t know if that explains it well enough. She doesn’t owe any one that doubts her anything. But also she could shut it down with the original photo. Any of it really. If they’re saying these are cover ups, why not show a timeline that proves these weren’t covering anything up.

          What pisses me off is how often I listen to sources on the left that will frame everything weirdly. Then I’ll bring it up and I’ll have someone on the right pull out details they were purposely left out on a story originally. Then I look like it up and sure enough the person on the right are correct and the left focused corners aren’t talking about half the shit.

          I’d just like to see less bullshit from everybody. But it’s driving me that even though bullshit is higher on the right. We’re not far behind and it’s getting worse.

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      Trump kept insisting: “No, no: He had ‘MS’ as clear as you can be, not ‘interpreted.’"

      That is astonishingly—but unsurprisingly—stupid.

      It’s one thing to insist that tattoos of a weed leaf, a smily face with “x” for its eyes, a cross, and a skull are pictographs for “M S 1 3”. It’s another to be such a dumbass that you think the superimposed text trying to explain that interpretation is the tattoo.

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        Wait, what? I missed that detail. He thought the numbers and letters were part of the tattoo? LOL

        Sweet Baby Jesus put that man in a nursing home. He shouldn’t be handling metal cutlery, let alone the nuclear launch codes.

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        Disney live actions are short sighted copyright renewals dumber than your joke. I’m still mad Pinnochio got Tom Hanks on that dogshit script.

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        I was excited for it until I watched it. Fucking creepy-ass floating head on weirdly fluttering body… I liked the acting, though!

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    Holy shit. I thought this was clearly intentional propaganda targeting the very extremely dumb that would take the mistaken impression from it without any of them being on record saying the fake part, but did no one tell him?

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      I think it was created as a markup to explain why they thought the ambiguous tattoos were problematic, I hope they would have assumed no one would be stupid enough to think he literally had tattoos that managed to be flat perfect text in pure black in a photo.

      But it turns out Trump is literally that stupid. Or it is convenient so he doesn’t have to field answers like “where’s some corroborating evidence to back up the claimed meaning”.

      Of course all of this is almost beside the point. We shouldn’t be doing this in the court of public opinion, it should be in front of a real judge and if deported it should be in compliance with orders that he be deported to anywhere but Salvador, and even if someone deports to El Salvador, we shouldn’t just directly deport straight to a prison that may not even have anything to do with country of origin.

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    “Photoshopped? You can’t do that, Terry.”

    LOL

    Unirionically our funniest president. Shame he might be our last.

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      It was pretty funny for most of the first term. He’s been getting progressively less funny ever since.

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      I’d be happy with him being the last President… if we switched to a parliamentary system where a PM is required to form a coalition and RCV was the law of the land.

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        Don’t you still need a head of state? I mean Canada has the monarchy other ones have a president, yes they are mostly ceremonially.

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    We’re so far beyond this type of thing being relevant.

    I don’t think even an avid Trump supporter would genuinely think that he doesn’t lie all the time.

    He just says whatever he wants.

    edit: ok I watched the video. He’s not lying. He really believes the letters and numbers are tattoos.

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      If he has something he wants from you, he says whatever he thinks you want to hear.

      If he has something you want, he lies.

      Pretty simple, and I don’t understand why Democrats found it so hard to outwit his dumb arse.

      Edit to add that I’m concerned that Trump no longer wants anything from American voters, and therefore doesn’t care what they think.