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    We demanded for almost a year that the Democrats need to stop supporting genocide. Instead Biden, Harris and the other party elites would rather hand the US to Trump than to stop more Arabs being murdered. Maybe she proves us wrong and actually puts Israel in check. But everything action so far has been the opposite of that.

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      Answer one simple question: Do you honestly believe Trump will be better for Palestinians?

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        I believe the US is a white supremacist empire, founded on a settler colonial genocide, which is part of why it now supports another settler colonial genocide.

        There will be no change to that in the current political system. It requires a fundamental political change, probably revolution, but certainly the dismantling of the current political parties to change that.

        Maybe Trump will speed up the genocide of Palestinians, but the Democrats are equally committed to it, as they have thrown away every chance to end it, while taking every chance to perpetuate it.

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          So your floor here is “throw gas on the fire”. Got it. You admit at best he’ll be the same, and you’re advocating for it. Your stance doesn’t seem sane for someone who wants less pain and suffering.

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        “You have to support the extermination of an entire race of people because the other side also supports it”

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          Didn’t answer the question. The choice is binary at this point. You can support the one person who’s actually said they’ll try and stop it, or you can throw your support in the trash and help the opposition that’s said “Finish the problem” when referring to the people of Palestine.

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            I don’t like being lied to. I miss when you blood soaked fucking nazi pieces of filth were slightly more honest. “Genocide is not on the ballot” you used to say. Then you’d lie about the domestic differences between the candidates. Now I guess you’re more desperate because the election is closer? Doesn’t change reality, even if you refuse to live in it. The election isn’t binary, it’s unary.

            You can support the one person who’s actually said they’ll try and stop it

            She didn’t even fucking say this you delusional wishcasting child. It’s terrifying how disconnected you are from reality.

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              you blood soaked fucking nazi pieces of filth

              And Tankies remain confused as to why the rest of the left doesn’t tolerate them.

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              Genocide is absolutely on the ballot. That lady up there said she’ll do everything in her power to stop the war. You’re advocating for throwing your hands in the air and leaving it to chance. That’s horrifying.

              As much as I love that insult (“delusional wishcasting child” is excellent), that’s not me. I’m quite grounded in reality. That reality is as follows:

              Even if you became president tomorrow, stabbed a bunch of senators to death, and forced the US to withdraw all military aid from Israel, blood would continue to flow like a river. The U.S. has influence right now. Throwing that influence away would leave Israel seeking other allies, like Russia, who would have no qualms about absolutely ratfucking every living person in the Gaza strip for money and influence.

              The reality is that the entire situation is super fucked, has been for a very long time, and won’t magically fix itself by a washing of hands. The least bloody way forward is diplomacy. The fastest path to peace is killing everyone on one side. Israel has no reason (in their insane leadership’s mind) to pursue diplomacy, and the only reason they even pretend to is to make the U.S. happy.