• LowleeKun
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    3 months ago

    It is a badge i would wear with honor, because soy is awesome and the myth is bullshit.

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      afaik, it’s not really a myth. it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens and it’s often recommended as a supplement for HRT. Probably not enough to have much of an effect on its own though

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        it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens

        you think because it has “estrogens” in the name it turns you into a girl. phyto- means plant. are you a plant?

        recommended as a supplement for HRT.

        by who? facebook?

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          by who? facebook?

          You know what I’ve been seeing on Facebook lately (qualifier, I use it for my local village group and those last few friends that refuse to use anything else)? People posting the fact that the AstraZeneca vaccine used a modified chimpanzee adenovirus and implying this is the cause of the mpox business.

          I would 100% bet they got it from Facebook!

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              I expect the soyboy stuff originated on 4chan. But I would believe the “evidence” for other people commenting about it is also on Facebook.

              I mean on Facebook it kinda makes sense that the crazy rises to the top. The normal people limit their posts to friends only. You can spot the crazies. They have all posts set to world visible.

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                Nah, Facebook doesn’t originate shit, it’s too creatively bankrupt. It’s just the amp for other forums

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          Exactly. It has a similar name in one of the ingredients. But: this ingredient is not estrogen and it basically has zero impact on the hormones in your body. And all experts know that. That’s why there’s no scientific papers supporting this whole soy / estrogen theory.

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        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19524224/

        Its basically been proven as bullshit, physiologically if you are healthy its not true. There MAY be edge cases where if you are lacking the vitamins/minerals/essential fats necessary for hormone regulation it MAY in SOME people cause SOME irregularity but edge cases are just that.

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        Phytoestrogens and estrogens have some similarities in their chemical structure and ability to bind to estrogen receptors, but they have important differences in their effects on the human body:

        • Estrogens are hormones produced naturally in the body, primarily in the ovaries in women. They are essential for sexual and reproductive development and function[5].

        • Phytoestrogens are plant-derived compounds that have a similar chemical structure to estrogens and can bind to estrogen receptors, but they are not hormones and are not produced naturally in the human body[1][4].

        • Phytoestrogens typically have much weaker estrogenic effects compared to human estrogens like estradiol[1][3]. The effects of phytoestrogens depend on factors like the specific type, dose, and individual differences in metabolism and estrogen levels[2].

        • Consuming phytoestrogens from foods like soy, flaxseeds, fruits and vegetables is unlikely to have a significant impact on estrogen levels or health, as the amounts are very low compared to what the body naturally produces[4]. Concentrated phytoestrogen supplements may have more noticeable effects.

        • In some cases, phytoestrogens may actually have anti-estrogenic effects by blocking estrogen receptors or reducing the body’s own estrogen production[1][3]. This is thought to be due to their structural similarity to estrogens.

        Some potential benefits of phytoestrogens that have been studied include:

        • Reducing menopausal symptoms like hot flashes in some women[1][3]
        • Improving cardiovascular health markers[2][4]
        • Reducing risk of certain cancers like breast and prostate cancer[3][6]

        However, the evidence is mixed, with many studies finding no significant effects[1][2]. Potential risks include:

        • Blocking estrogen receptors and reducing the body’s own estrogen production[1][3]
        • Interfering with thyroid function in some cases[2]
        • Potential effects on breast and prostate cancer risk, though the evidence is inconclusive[3][6]

        Citations: [1] https://herkare.com/blog/estrogen-replacement-therapy-vs-phytoestrogens/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468963/ [3] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/648139 [4] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320630 [5] https://advancedhormonesolutions.com/do-you-know-the-difference-between-phytoestrogens-and-estrogen/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/ [7] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763421005558 [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/phytoestrogen

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        It’s really strange that all of the replies to your comment are essentially agreeing with you but you got downvoted into the dirt for stating facts.