TIL that c/world is kinda as fucked as Reddit already. The amount of bigotry in the comments is crazy.

Ein Weihnachtswunder. Die lassen wir doch normalerweise ersaufen. Das muss diese christliche Nächstenliebe sein von der wir immer sprechen.

Und jetzt im Ernst, ich bin sehr froh, dass sie gerettet wurden. Leider werden bald wieder Leute ertrinken. Die Abschottungspolitik der EU ist so ekelhaft.

Look, I think it’s perfectly legit to chant Free Palestine, from the river to the sea, whatever. I also believe Israel is an ethnonationalist settler colony upholding a regime of apartheid and oppression, now conducting a genocide.

But I also know Hamas from my friends from Gaza and they weren’t particularly liked ever. They are corrupt and have been stealing money & supplies for their own cause while people are living in poverty. There’s no freedom under Hamas. It’s very likely that they killed children & civilians on Oct 7. They suck.

But with what’s happening now inside Gaza, if they’re there or not it doesn’t matter. People would be slaughtered anyway. That’s why I can understand the sentiment that whoever is fighting against the IOF atm is a “freedom fighter“, even though I think it’s short sighted and tbh I still don’t see that the majority of lemmy users would be Hamas supporters.

I downvoted your comment, I don’t think what you’re saying about both being bad is wrong, but I dislike your general premise like people would be siding with or defending Hamas‘ actions here at a large scale.

Was halt haargenau passiert ist ist folgendes: (Mindestens) Oberkörperfreie Geiseln haben weiße Fahne geschwenkt. Soldat sieht sie und schreit „Terroristen“ und sofort öffnen mehrere Soldaten das Feuer. Als einer der Soldaten überlebt, flieht und auf Hebräisch nach Hilfe ruft, schießen die Soldaten weiter um ihm den Rest zu geben.

Netanyahu persönlich hat den Vorfall als unglaubliche Tragödie bezeichnet. Was gibt’s da noch zu rechtfertigen?

Was gibt’s denn dazu noch zu sagen? Eine Geisel konnte vor den Soldaten fliehen und wurde dann trotzdem im Nachhinein erschossen. Hier wird nichtmal von offizieller Seite bezweifelt, dass dies falsch war.

Vermutlich passieren ähnliche Vorfälle immer wieder. Das ist für mich der eigentliche Skandal. Ein Menschenleben scheint in Gaza nichts wert zu sein. Diesmal kommt allerdings auch von israelischer Seite ein Aufschrei weil’s die eigenen erwischt hat. So tragisch wie dieser Vorfall ist, vielleicht öffnet er ja wenigstens ein paar Leuten die Augen.

Hier noch ein interessantes Beispiel. Die Person die unter jedem Beitrag zum Nahostkonflikt trollt, vermutlich deutsch, findet, ein Israeli soll sich nicht zur Politik in Israel äußern (?). Vielleicht ist auch Palästinensisch-Israelisch gar nicht „echt“ Israelisch genug?

Jedenfalls passt das Zitat aus dem Text ziemlich gut zu den Reaktionen hier.

Und hier ein Paradebeispiel. Der Autor, übrigens selber Deutsch-Israeli hat Familie in Israel und Palästina. Hat leider ermordende und vermisste Verwandte in Gaza. Schreibt dennoch einen super ausdifferenzierten Text. Und der User hier sitzt gemütlich zuhause und faselt erstmal irgendwas von Hamas.

Look, I don’t know what kind of things matter in your personal life, what bothers you and what you stand up for. From what I understood in your post, you just want to mind your own business and not give a fuck about problems of some people far away. That’s fair and I understand that.

My intention wasn’t to make you feel bad or confront you, and I really understand why you got tired of getting involved in random conflicts. I was too when I saw the invasion of Ukraine by Russia going down. I know it sucks and I feel sorry for the Ukrainans, but I felt the same way I couldn’t do much.

Why what you call discussing about semantics is important for me is simply because this is not just a conflict between neighbors. This is indigenous people facing a setter colonial movement born in Europe not even 200 years ago. And this movement wants to wipe the Palestinians and their whole identity out. It’s literally people fighting for survival.

I’m German-Palestinian and I have lost family in this most recent outbreak of violence and many past conflicts. And so have most of my Palestinian friends unfortunately. I have personally experienced what military occupation does to you, and I’ve experienced what apartheid feels like already as a child.

But I think it isn’t true that it all doesn’t help. I’ve been arguing with strangers about this on Facebook more than 10 years ago when it was still unquestionable to criticize anything Israel does. Arguing in real life with people who had some edgy takes on people being bombed to shit. I went to protests where we were like 50 people. Have seen and supported activists since teenage years (nowadays mostly financially). I had my picture posted somewhere online when I was on a protest. Immigration at Ben Gurion Airport loved it, almost sent me back to Germany.

Why I’m saying this is because I see that public opinion has shifted a lot. Politicians, especially German ones, still want to suppress our voices and equate all Palestinians with Hamas/Terrorists. But people aren’t having it anymore. Of course it doesn’t change things overnight. And I’m wondering how many more children need to be bombed until some old fucks realize how horrible the situation is.

In any case if you actually read this, thanks, and I hope you see now why it was import to me to clear up some things even if maybe 2 other people are reading this.

I like it here because of the far left anti-capitalist bs. The internet is full of edgy incel nazis and it’s pretty relieving to have some safe spaces 🤷‍♂️

But it’s not a question of „just getting along“. Palestinians are indigenous to that country and right wing extremist nationalists are committing a genocide on them right in front of our eyes. Actually backed by our governments.

I mean honestly, they’re starving innocent children, bombing them as they’re sheltering in schools & hospitals. You don’t do that to anyone. It’s just wrong and it shouldn’t be polarizing to express for anyone that they’re against wiping out innocent civilians, let alone children.

China is also committing their own genocide against minorities, one of them the Uyghurs with concentration camps, forced sterilization and forbidding people to practice their religion.

As a Palestinian I can tell you that we’re not interested in exchanging Israeli occupation for Iranian, Russian or Chinese occupation.

Unfortunately I don’t know who’d be a real and credible ally. I feel strong support from many Latin American countries, the Irish, Scottish, South Africans. But do they have enough influence to broker something? I don’t think so