CEO of Tesla and acting President-elect Musk is going on a neo-Nazi binge endorsing far right candidates instead of properly running the companies he’s involved in such as Tesla.

In addition Tesla is considered one of the most unreliable car brands according to: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/

Moreover Tesla has the highest fatal accident rates of all car brands according to: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/

Also there are privacy implications with using a car that could in theory spy on you: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/massive-trove-of-tesla-files-contains-thousands-of-safety-complaints/

Now that more competent and establish brands are making EVs there’s no reason to buy a Tesla if you want an EV. I’m not here to recommend another brand, I’m just here to tell you that your next EV should be anything other than a Tesla.

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    Pretty much go for only Hyundais or Kias. They’re all in on EVs and they’re fantastic. I have an Ioniq 5 and while it does have issues, every car does, and it has a tenth the issues that teslas and others do.

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      What are some of the issues they have? Pretty much the only thing I know about the ioniq 5 is that it won EV of the year so it’s gotta be pretty decent!

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        I think it varies. I’ve owned a Volt, Bolt, two Teslas. My friend has two Rivians. My other friend has a Bolt. My manager has an Ioniq 5.

        None of us have had any issues at all. Obviously YMMV.

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              Both of mine were used when I bought them but I’ve got a lot out of them. I still have one. I guess to be fair I should mention there was about eight years in there where I had no car because I couldn’t afford one.

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        can visit https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/ and you’ll see

        so far i’ve seen older models are vulnerable to being easy to steal, smaller 12v battery drain issue if you don’t drive the car for a bit, the even older models have a water coolant recall, etc

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          I think non-full ICE cars in general have a big 12v drain if not driven for a while. My 2018 Prius does this and it’s just a mild hybrid.

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            yep was surprising to see, one guy mentioned he didn’t drive it for a full week and it got drained and required a jump start :/

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        My issues aren’t anything like the major issues that others are mentioning. I’ve never heard anything about it being easy to steal, I haven’t had the 12v issues. No, mine are just minor annoyances.

        • the cruise control will completely disable if you get the smallest amount of ice on the front sensors.
        • if there’s ice on the front sensors, the parking sensors go off like crazy when you slow down to under 10mph. I recently learned you can turn the beeping off, but it only stays off for like 30 seconds.
        • no wireless CarPlay, inexcusable honestly, especially since the car has wireless charging. What’s the point of the wireless charger if you have to plug in anyway.
        • red turn signals. Also inexcusable. I hate it when companies refuse to do the safer thing with one of the most preventable things that causes accidents.
        • the direction for things is weirdly reversed, e.g. next song is up on the steering wheel button. But volume up is also up. So only one thing is reversed.
        • the tire kit comes pre-exploded for you. Expect to take the car back to the dealer to get this replaced within 6 months. It’s been fine since then.
        • US version is just shittier than the European versions in general. No orange turn signals, no drawer console, I think there are a few more things.
        • when in cruise control and you turn it off, whatever regen setting you had when you turned cruise control on will resume. This can cause a huge lurch if you aren’t actively accelerating when turning cruise control off. And when switching between regen modes, my wife feels a lurch so I literally can’t use them at all when she’s in the car, even though I don’t feel anything. So what happens is I leave it in whatever regen setting it is in when starting and then I have this issue when using cruise control.

        I think there’s like one or two more things, but overall the car is fucking fantastic so I love it. But like I said, every car has things you don’t like about it.

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          I also don’t like that the backup “lights” are… not lights. They don’t help you see what’s behind you at all, they just kinda sorta indicate that you’re going to be backing up.

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      Any insights on the Kona EV? It’s the only actual affordable aka less than 35k option that’s not a sedan or micro car.

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        Eu kona 64 kwh here, very nice car imo. Fast chargers hit 30-50kw, altthough I usually charge at home. No range issues so far, but no big roadtrips. Check if you need the 3 phase one for faster charging without DC.

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        I just got a Kona last month. Top of the range so not sure what is an option on other models.

        No idea about fast charging as only use it for 60 mile runs, 120 there and back. Charging at home is trivial, but the charge port is at the front so either buy a longer cable or get ysed to reversing out of the charging bay (I have to reverse onto a relatively busy road, I do wish the charging port was at the back.

        Easiest car I’ve ever had to drive. The one pedal driving took about a week to adjust to. The speed limiter is perfectly placed, buttons for most things but the touch screen is actually decent, unlike every other car I’ve seen them in.

        However it beeps alot. There is a camera on the steering wheel which beeps if you aren’t paying attention to the road, like when you look at the blind spot or check to come off a roundabout. It beeps I’d you go 2 miles over the speed limit. It beeps if you have something in the back seat and the seat belt isn’t plugged in. Mostly I can’t complain about these, they are legit safety features.

        Boot space isn’t huge eg for air port runs but if there are two and a kid the cars fine. Can take a weeks shopping. Space under the boot and in the front for a few things ie emergency supplies and spare clothes.

        There was a 0% APR offer when I got mine. Between that and electric tariffs the net monthly cost is lower than any other vehicle I could have bought.

        In the UK they are selling really fast and I van see why. If the furthest round trip one does is 150 miles in winter there aren’t really any major drawbacks. But residuals are likely bad so be prepared to either take a hit or hand it back at the end of the pcp IMO.

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          Any idea what the hacking scene is like for these cars? From something as simple as stopping the beeping to stopping all the spying?

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            No idea on the hacking. Most of the beeping are safety features which can be turned off, but it’s less beeping and more a quick chirpy to alert the driver to a change in speed limit or upcoming speed camera.

            In terms of data collection don’t live in the US? The only secure way way to block it is remove internet access which doesn’t exactly help: the information on the modification will likely lead to insurers refusing cover and warranties being voided.

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            Also Kona owner here (EU), I dont get a lot of beeps. I think you can turn some of them off in settings. No clue what the hacking is like.

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      I like my MachE.

      It’s not for everyone, but it rides nice, is great to live with, doesn’t cost me a fortune to run. I’m pretty happy with it.

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        Has nothing to do with being a Kia or Hyundai. All car brands that use wireless key fobs are vulnerable. Ionia 5s and ev6s are just highly desired.