Pelosi’s little crusade against AOC should be a wake up call to anyone thinking the Dems have any way of moving forward.
Get rid of the dinosaurs and embrace progressivism, or perish.
The old guard seems to prefer the latter.
Too bad they’re paid not to by their corporate overlords.
They dont need to “act like” it, they need to actually be it.
And they won’t.
The Democratic Party is frankly played out at this point. It’s pretty obviously a zombie party. We need a new one that isn’t beholden to neoliberalism.
They’re wholly captured by vested interests.
Lets call it the giant meteor party, GMP. Itll be about issues related to social good, universal healthcare, age and wealth limits on government officials, banning lobbyists and pacs, eliminating the electoral college, progressive taxation, and defunding the military industrial complex. No centrists allowed. They can pick social good or they can be republicans.
Please keep that attitude in 2028, when every mention of voting third party gets you called a Nazi and “a vote for 3P is a vote for Trump!!”
When there’s a viable third party candidate, sure.
Otherwise - yes, it is a vote against your own interests. Hi, I’m one of those who pointed out its just a vote for trump in this past election. It was true then, its still true now. You don’t start during the presidential election season, or you’re just a grifter.
You push for 3rd party in local and state elections and get viable candidates.
Jill Stein is still nothing more than a piece of trash grifter.
You don’t start during the presidential election season, or you’re just a grifter.
Jill Stein is too busy having lunch with Putin to join the conversation.
Edit: you already called her out. I should read the whole comment before having a kneejerk reaction.
Well, it is, statistically. The voting system makes sure of that. We need a better system before we can vote for the best, not the one who is most likely to beat the worst.
Failing to account for the constraints of the system you’re participating in is a recipe for failing to succeed in said system.
I’m not saying I like the DNC - in fact, I have come to outright detest the party as a whole. But there’s a reason why all the younger progressive legislators are still in the Democratic Party, and that’s tactical political pragmatism. That said, I do think the results of this election, and this continuing ratfucking by the DNC oligarchs is going to be seen as the breaking point in history books (if we eventually pull out of this authoritarian slide and have history books in the future, that is).
Different scenario. The hard work of getting a new party or new candidates into the process needs to be done right now. If you don’t see any fruits of that hard work come election day then you need to go with the stop-gap option.
Although i was already leaning this way but Geriatric Nancy Pelosi pushing the vote against AOC from the hospital from her broken hip made me decide I won’t be voting Democrat in the national elections any time soon.
No - that’s the wrong response. You’ve got to be tactical. You can’t ignore the constraints of the system if you’re going to participate in the system. Doing so is a recipe for failure.
Exactly. I’ll vote for the kind of politician I want in the primary, and vote tactically for the one who is closest to my views, but who stands something of a chance of winning in the general.
It’s a good thing that primaries are fair and exist consistently.
As opposed to the resounding success that we just saw.
I kinda stopped caring, been voting tactically the last three elections and still got orange mussolini and an our incumbent senator got beat by an out of state republican. And the democratic party is not adjusting, instead its doubling down. Why should I reward this kind of behavior. Local elections and state elections I’ll still keep supporting who I think is best
Why should I reward this kind of behavior.
That’s not how it works -you “reward” the behavior of candidates who vote the way you want and if there are none, you vote for the least damaging while encouraging those who do vote the way you want to run.
It’s not a boycott. If the party (any party, not just DNC) is broken - fix the party. The DNC has been broken for longer than not, but if you can think of anything good that’s happened in government, it’s almost always because of Democrats. That doesn’t happen by non-involvement, that’s not the fix.
That’s not how it works -you “reward” the behavior of candidates who vote the way you want
Easy for you to say. You have candidates who vote the way you want.
If the party (any party, not just DNC) is broken - fix the party.
By what mechanism? If the party loses nothing when it ignores its constituents, there’s no leverage.
That doesn’t happen by non-involvement, that’s not the fix.
Involvement hasn’t worked either. But now you get to blame the party acting like you want it to on people who are upset that it doesn’t work for them. It’s simple, if the party doesn’t work for you, it’s because you’re not involved enough! So really it’s your fault that the party is run by corrupt pro-genocide geriatrics who render primaries meaningless. Lazy millennials.
Yeah, sorry “the least damaging candidates” are not even getting elected because of the actions of the DNC. I would argue that it was the DNC that in large part created this mess were in right now. I’m pretty much tuned out of this system until somebody comes along that I believe is worth supporting and it’s not some neoliberal puppet spitting on our faces.
“MataVatnik”?
Yes?
FWIW, I too share that deep sense of ennui. It’s genuinely hard not to feel that way at this point.
The dems suck too. This is a class war. We need a class party. One where no office member can make above what the bottom 80% of the country makes and no dodgy bullshit or gifts or spousal income workarounds or anything else.
That’ll just mean only rich people will hold office in that party.
No rich people would be allowed to hold office in that party. That’d be the point.
So homeless then, I guess. Unless there’s some secret sauce to owning/renting a home in DC and your home district while making $16k annually (that’s the average after tax income for the lowest earning quintile of the population)
Edit: i may be misreading what you meant…if you meant they’d be in the 4th lowest quintile, that gets its up to around $120k…still a tall order.
You were misreading.
What I brought up obviously doesn’t have all the details ironed out. Just a base concept. Add some money in for the 2nd home.
No, they need to be an opposition party for the first fucking time in decades.
The notion that any politician right now NEEDS to do anything is a desperate and lazy claim by the citizens. We are the ones that need to rise to action. They are quite comfortable where they are.
That’s literally all they’ve been doing since Reagan.
acting like an opposition party.
It took way too long, but that’s why you can’t drum up the numbers anymore, all but the thickest of skulls have finally realized that Democrat and Republican are both just big corpo, bickering over the social issue symptoms of our rigged economy and society as they maintain the economy and it’s perverse incentives as it is, on the same take by the same oligarchs.
At least Republicans throw their horrible voters a bone, “Oh you hate the other? we’ll be cruel to them to entertain you and tickle your schaudenfreude fancy!”
Democrats get nothing for their troubles. We’re told it’s our duty.
Meanwhile, killing your own non wealthy customers for moar profit? R👍D👌
I’m reluctantly happy that people are starting to see that wedge issues are crafted by corporations and parroted by business bought representative to pit man against man who can barely buy bread to the point where e pluribus unum was meaningless there decades ago. Greed has no party affiliation.
Dems seem to have fallen completely off the face of the Earth since the election. Looks like it will take a while to get over this. They better do it fast, though.
What I’ve learned from the last two presidential elections is that right now, the incumbent party loses if people are unhappy with the current state of the country. A clever, but evil opposition party would try to make things worse.
This is why “doing what republiQans do” isn’t a useful tactic for Democrats. Never has been, though the party leaders have never learned it.
both sides are bought and paid for with the same checks
only thing that could be done is to start over
Both sides do raise money to operate, but the people funding the two parties are, to a very large extent, different.
I’ll acknowledge that this chart is a little old
Corporate America:
Google/Alphabet didn’t make that list?
Probably not then. Maybe now.
Michael Fucking Bloomberg is the top individual Democrat contributor in 2024.
A billionaire is a billionaire is a billionaire. When people say they are funded by the same people, we mean they’re funded by the same class interests. Individual small donations from the working class are a literal drop in the bucket compared to what the wealthy contribute.
The Democrats are still funded by the same set of class interests as the Republicans: the wealthy.
If the majority of your funding comes from people who like low taxes for the rich, don’t like programs to help the poor, and who generally just want to benefit the already-wealthy, then you’re going to really fucking struggle to represent interests of the working class, because the people funding you will stop funding you when you stop focusing on their problems.
Michael Bloomberg in my eyes is not materially different from Elon Musk. But sure, somehow the people funding the party are “different.” We didn’t just watch Pelosi squash AOCs committee for her wealthy donors, who don’t like AOC or what she’s selling. Give me a break.
Michael Fucking Bloomberg is the top individual Democrat contributor in 2024.
Your article link is from 2020.
Seriously. If you haven’t switched your party affiliation to Independent, how’s the time to do it. It’ll take a pretty big hit to their register to actually get the lames in D.C. to care about us again
The problem is, a lot of states have closed primaries. So by registering independent, you throw away the one opportunity you would conceivably actually have to help shape the party’s future by having a say in who their nominees are.
Good thing the Dems have rigged every primary since '08 and seem to have no desire to change that
This clip is just a bit chilling to hear them say it out loud and welcome it. I get it they’re Russians but we’re cooked unless something happens between now and inauguration. Only posting the link to reddit because I don’t know which video the clip is from and wasn’t going to sift through Russian pundit videos. I periodically check that subreddit in hopes something does happen because as we all know trump is a Russian asset and they only want the downfall of America. He will divide us all. What we can do though is not let them win and we need to not turn against our own people, no matter how much we disagree on politics because the end result will be much worse.
They’ll come up with a nifty hashtag like #resist or #democracy
And send out even more fundraising emails.
Hey, Obamna here, I need about $3.50.
The key work here is "act’’ like an actor.
Pass laws to limit election spending/fund raising so that the playing field is about as even as we can manage. After those are set in stone and strong, dismantle the national committees and open the actual gates to allow whoever to run for office.
Even doing this wouldn’t change much though. The popularity contest not at all based on policy would still reign supreme and American voters are still American voters.
