I was wondering if there were systems in place for users to report mods who are just ignoring the code of conduct and just abusing their power of moderator as a whole?
I’ve seen that we could get in touch via Mastodon, but I don’t have an account for that unfortunately and I was curious to know if there were other ways
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Just create one account per comment. Lemmy can’t anything as it was designed for the convenience of moderators.
Wwit until lemmy falls and hope the successor makes moderation a crowd effort and a subscriotion service
!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Also I would not recommend having an account on lemmy.ml if this is your concern, the moderators here are rather famous for doing this at the drop of a hat. I guess you could have your account on .ml and mostly interact with communities on other instances, but why?
Looking at the modlog, they picked up a 5 day ban from memes@lemmy.ml for a comment that pretty much directly attacks .ml as being “tankie”.
“Every now and then, the .ml side of this community comes through with these inaccurate tankle memes. You win some, you lose some I guess”
That’s the whole comment I wrote. If you are going to report it, at least do it correctly please.
Why are you going on an instance with lots of Marxists just to attack the userbase? Masochism? To try to pick up a ban so you can make a drama post like this?
Why indeed. I’d never create an account over there, I agree with you.
Sadly every user on Lemmy learned or will learn at their expense that interacting with most users from ml, hexbear and the likes, brings nothing positive on most occasions.
I had hoped that maybe something was done since last time I checked, but I guess I was wrong 😅
Believe it or not, more people are Marxists than ever. Those instances aren’t going away any time soon.
Authoritarians gonna authoritarian.
Also, especially with young people, calling them out for bad behavior like this usually leads to them just doubling down on the bad behavior because they’ll feel that their honor is insulted by the criticism and so they have to reject it. Something like that. I definitely wouldn’t hold your breath for a change.
In smaller instances, you can easily reach the Admin and are much more likely to get a response. Also, the moderation is likely done completely by the Admin and not by a less-invested person who might be enjoying the power and control of being a moderator.
From my experience, about 80% of opened reports are self-resolvable and don’t need Admins or moderators and is just someone seeing the world through a biased lens, so everything they don’t believe becomes misinformation, and they start opening reports for vengeance. When many of these keep coming, it wears Admins and moderators down, and they are more likely to just ban than respond. This fatigue is not something a small instance Admin experiences. They give more thought to the situation.
I was banned on mastodon . social because someone who disagreed with me perfectly crafted a complaint (they apparently had a lot of experience doing this) that took what I wrote out of context to seem like I was saying something else, and .social banned me instantly and denied the appeal. The claim was total fiction. They didn’t care. They had a stack of reports to get through. I had no hope of reaching an Admin.
I never used a large instance again.
Just something, maybe, to think about.
The few users who have created accounts in my instance are thrilled with the direct support they get from me and my co-admin. I imagine that their original instance was something of a mill where they were treated like nuisances. It’s one of the things I love about being an admin, is the ability to protect people who would otherwise be ignored
dm an admin and report the problematic behaviour.
I posted here because it happened on lemmy.ml
But sadly, considering this is not the first time I’ve had the displeasure of interacting with your run of the mill, power tripping mod from ml, I won’t hold my breath waiting for their assistance I guess.
It sucks that such a large instance as no accountability though. I’d imagine it must sucks for new users having to learn on their own to be aware of the usual instances
Looking at the modlog, it’s a temp ban from memes. I wouldn’t sweat it.
The point isn’t that they received some wild type of “punishment” they can’t come back from. The point is that having what you’re allowed to say policed in this fashion is offensive to the vast majority of people, whatever mechanism “gentle” or not is being used to enforce the policing.
Moderation started out as a way to remove racism, spam and similar blatant abuse. Somehow, it’s grown to the point that people feel they have to hover over the shoulders of the commenters dictating what are the allowed and disallowed types of statements. Most people feel that if they think China has an oppressive government, they should be allowed to say it. And that if they think the US has an oppressive government, they should be allowed to say it. Lemmy.ml is a silly place because one of those statements is “allowed” and the other is not, which is absurd behavior that belongs better on a Fox News comment section or a US State Department web site than it does on the flagship instance of a supposedly FOSS-and-freedom friendly software project.
Both of those statements are allowed in .ml, you just can’t repeat us state department propaganda without extreme amounts of proof to back it up. There is a difference between: “I think China is authoritarian” and “oog boog look remember that genocide that the UN investigated and found wasn’t a genocide where all the ‘victims’ that were touted are now millionaires in other countries after selling a story the UN specifically found didn’t happen… It happened!!!1!1!!1”
I have gotten banned from .ml twice for merely stating that Russia shot down a civilian airliner in Ukraine.
What century are you from? The last time Russia had anti air assets in Ukraine it was still called the Ukraine and it was half it’s current size.
And here we reach the crux of the matter.
If I think there’s been a genocide in Xinjiang, I should be able to say so. Someone else might think that’s objectively not true, and we can talk about it. That’s actually a really healthy thing, it is an exchange of ideas. Almost no one has a monopoly on understanding the world completely, and so it’s necessary to be able to talk it back and forth. Deciding that we’re going to delete one side of that conversation is good for no one.
I think the model that’s crept into the modern internet where discordant ideas are “enemy” ideas that everyone needs to be protected against, and there’s no point in talking with anyone you disagree with because all the two of you will do is attack each other, is poison.
I’m happy to hear what you have to say, maybe I am wrong about this instance. When did the UN say there wasn’t a genocide and all the victims are millionaires? If you link me to the report, I would like to read it.
Edit: Instead of pointing me to information so I can read for myself and upend my whole worldview, he chose to go back through my history downvoting a bunch of stuff including when I was talking about how to set up RSS feeds. Lol.
Uncritically spreading xenophobic propaganda will of course get you a tut-tut of some kind. As it should.
Can you link me to the UN report where they found there was no genocide, and the so-called victims were millionaires?
Yes that is specifically what I’m talking about, there wasn’t criticism of China, there was “oog think China bad because ( insert thing the UN found no evidence of that literally only the US ever said there was evidence of and they didn’t present that evidence ).”
And how is this related to mechanical keyboards, Linux and open source communities?
As a mod, we don’t really “hover”, we do have a queue of reported posts and reported comments and deal with them as they pop up.
Most likely some other .ml user saw the “tankie” comment, reported it, and the .ml mod did the .ml mod thing.
I fail to see a useful distinction between me posting what I think, and a mod seeing it and deleting it, versus me posting what I think, someone reporting it, and then the mod deleting it. In both cases someone’s standing over me policing what viewpoints I’m allowed to express, which is bad.
I actually do get why someone would want to delete “tankie,” since it could be taken as a gratuitous insult. And I do get mod fatigue and running out of care to give as an underlying issue for a lot of this. I think a big part of the underlying issue is depending on volunteer moderators to keep the whole system together and making basically unlimited demands on them. I was just talking about the general censorship problem on lemmy.ml, not trying to say that every case is always power tripping mods.
As I wrote, this is not the first time I encountered such behavior. And while you might not care, I was curious to know if there were better solutions than just accepting these kind of things passively.
To me it is wrong for such prominent instances to always be the ones getting away with this type of behavior
Getting away with the behavior of tempbans from a single comm pointlessly insulting?
You’ll find that on basically every instance, they’ll just have a different standard on what is an unhelpful insult and who it is okay to attack. For example, other instances will tolerate the typical American acceptance of xenophobia and .ml will not. And if you simply describe someone on .world as excusing support for genocide because they’re trying to justify advocating for someone enabling it, they’ll ban you for “misinformation” and “trolling” because their liberal partisan tendencies have been shaken.
Yeah, you can take it to the .ml admins, but speaking from my own interactions with my own admins, I really doubt they’ll interfere in your favor over a 5 day ban.
To me it is wrong for such prominent instances to always be the ones getting away with this type of behavior
I wasn’t going to mention it, but as it’s not your first time, (removed) is more specific than !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Instances known for power tripping are getting less and less popular over time
Genuine question, why do you try to posture yourself as uninvolved in drama but regularly plug the anticommunist drama community specializing in out of context screen grabs run by a gamergate right-winger seemingly whenever relevant? It seems more like you’re trying to sow seeds of anticommunism without taking the blame for it.
I link to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com any time a mod power trips, the most recent examples being the Lemmy.world decisions to remove comments about jury nullification.
If (removed) screens are taken out of context, people who want to add the context can come in and explain it.
If that mod bans them, then it’s power tripping, it’s going to be reported to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and then many people (including me) will probably stop using that community
You understand that by posting the links that that’s tacit approval of them and an endorsement, correct? If you agree that MWoG is as I describe, then that implies endorsement of that behavior. Moreover, leftists are banned from that comm if they contextualize, it’s explicitly a right wing left-punching comm. You do not post right-punching left wing comms, at least not in my experience, and as such shows a clear pattern.
Again, I ask, why? It’s fairly obvious to me based on your actions that you are trying to stir up anticommunist drama, and I am giving you the platform to explain yourself, your reasoning, and explain the bias you show.
Come to the .ee side.
They already are
