The market only cares if the oligarch I am trading with and me are happy with the transaction. Commons is a tragedy for enjoying the lamentations and tears of the commies.
we will push. we will push the button. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRyrCjOkdI
It’s funny, sad, and kind of true, but to be fair you can create some pretty cool images with AI (think stable-diffusion) even with just mid to high-end consumer hardware.
Do I get to choose the city?
If we all collaborate we can shut down Florida at all times.
I would object, but I’m on vacation right now. It won’t affect me for a week. Generate as much as you can!
<homer>Alright, but it better be good!</homer>
Simpsonml™️
Training the models is very resource intensive, but after that it’s basically fine. I can run Midjourney image generation on my modest gaming laptop. Takes maybe 30 seconds for a high-resolution image at a laptop’s “gaming mode” power consumption.
AI image generation is comparable in electric use to e.g. playing Valheim or Elden Ring.
It’s when it’s scaled up industrially that it becomes a huge waste of electricity. Me playing Valhelm for 5 minutes is nothing. My startup creating 20000 bots playing Valheim 24/7 is a problem for society.
Yeah. My phone can generate a 512x512 image with Stable Diffusion in like 20 seconds with the right settings.
It’s the mining of diamonds that kills all the children. After the diamond is mined, I can use it with almost no child deaths. Diamonds are fine.
No, using an already-trained model doesn’t “use up” the model in exactly the same way that pirating a movie doesn’t steal anything from Hollywood.
Use a diamond doesn’t “use up” that diamond.
And yet, it’s still unethical to buy already mined blood diamonds from people who continue to mine more blood diamonds. Funny thing about that, huh
In this analogy, using the diamond does use it up. In the sense that none else can use that diamond concurrently. If someone else wants a diamond, more children must die.
This is different from the trained AI model, which can concurrently be used by everyone at the same time, at very little extra cost.
A very large amount of those dug up diamonds end up as “industrial diamonds.” Because they are far from gemstone quality. And they definitely get used up. I have used up my share of them as cutting tools when I was a toolmaker.
I mean yeah: if we went and killed every person who benefits from conflict diamonds and closed all blood diamond mines why wouldn’t you be cool with using the resources? Their evil origin has little to do with their practical utility and if the original sin is expiated there’s no reason not to?
Like yeah conflict diamonds have basically no purpose because we can make diamonds cheaper and better in labs but in a situation where there are more practical uses (cobalt, LLMs) once we cleanse the land of the sinners why wouldn’t we use their ill gotten gains for good?
But we’re not “killing” every person who benefits, literally or figuratively. We’re continuing to buy their diamonds (pay them in money and data) while they continue to mine (train new models, use copyrighted material).
Agreed.
But the entire point I’m making is there’s nothing wrong with the diamonds, the problem is with the method and the people profiting from it.
You were saying the diamonds were not fine by dint of origin. I’m saying let’s right the wrong and then use the diamonds.
Okay, so again, no new machine learning ever, unless you can prove it’s done without environmental impact or affecting peoples’ right to a dignified existence. That’s the wrong righted. That’s what you’re advocating. Am I misunderstanding?
Do the concepts “reparations” or “compensation for loss and damage” mean anything to you?
The people who were exploited should be the ones to benefit from those diamonds.
The fuck you think “using their ill gotten gains for good” means?
Sounds like you think we should use the diamonds. I wouldn’t be cool with using those diamonds because they belong to the people who were forced to mine them, not me.
I see your point and agree with it, but I believe you read more defense in my comment than I tried to put in.
I’m not in favor of this waste.
Is Midjourney available for use locally now? Or have you misunderstood Midjourney taking 30 seconds to generate from their server as happening locally?
I know a guy that uses Stable Diffusion XL locally with a few LORAs, last time I’ve heard one 2k image took 2 minutes on RTX 30 or 40 something
IDK how expensive is Midjourney in comparison, but running it locally doesn’t sound impossible
That sounds a bit too much. Generating an sdxl image and then scaling it up is the common procedure, but that should not take 2 minutes on a 40xx card. For reference I can generate 3 batches of 5 images (without the upscaling step) in less than 2 minutes on my 4070ti. And that’s without using faster sdxl models like lightning or turbo or whatever.
The impossible part is that it isn’t publicly available. It’s not an open model.
Oh, ok. I’m not into image generation, so I didn’t know.
click ‘no’.
reconfigure.
set dimensions: 50000x50000
DO IT
EMP deployment successful
So, the internet version of the trolly choice problem?
“The name’s Plissken.”
*BEEP*
I swear 50% of Mastodon’s feed is just people having mass hysteria about AI and not understanding how any of it works
Also constantly getting baited about how AI is definitely the reason global warming is happening despite, you know, waves to virtually everything running on fossil fuels
To be fair the cost benefit ratio of llms is way out of whack. It’s even behind outdoor heating in bars.
It’s the same as my enjoyment of video games, 3D modeling, or video editing - my gpu spins up for a few minutes.
Lmao. But ya true, it’s not fair to consider all LLM use equally.
Although I’ve made gpt write nonsense poem for me, most of my prompts are work related that saves me countless hours.
Monkey type inane question, teslacoils power up, screen show smart word words
Ummm, obviously exaggerated but still true, and yeah the fossil fuels are the cause of climate change but AI is driving up the usage.
Honestly it is makes the problem a little worse. It is far from the cause. You can run AI on clean power.
But they aren’t running it on clean power? And so it is a massive contributor?
That’s like saying it’s fine to waste food because it can theoretically be grown sustainably, even when the food you’re wasting wasn’t.
Yes … power suddenly goes off in their house
It’s ten minutes. They’ll survive.
oh no grandma’s life support!!
she’ll survive in spirit
Do some people just scroll mastodon till they find a meme to crosspost here? Surly federation has a cleaner way to do this?
The original poster could @ this community, then it would show up here…
As far as I know, not even mbin allows crossposting between the microblog side and the thread side with any kind of attribution. But I agree, we should be able to post it to different parts of the ActivityPub world.
Surly federation has a cleaner way to do this?
I don’t know, but even-tenpered federation might. And don’t call me Sir Lee.
Technically possible to do since you have diminishing returns on accuracy by scaling the operation up.
You could use that much power to generate a 200x200 avatar, if a person had that much authority and actually wanted to.
Well “small city” means a decent chance it’s some rural town that voted for Drump sooo they get what they voted for ig ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
as if small cities weren’t all over the global south…
Democrats: “Actually, your town has plenty of power.”
If only there was some way to cancel their Narcan shipments, too 🤔
oh fuck you.
My AI can do more pixels than your AI.
Lets do it. Full speed ahead.
