Should just organize centers on the African side and immediately force people back there. Otherwise people will just stop coming
How would you organize such centers? Invade African countries?
I totally don’t like this headline: Yeah, there are a lot of migrants arriving in Lampedusa. But there are only 4500 people living there regularly and they are already getting outnumbered by tourists in the summer and that is really not a bit number of people.
Since Libya has been thrown into absolute chaos and anarchy there seems to be no alternative but immediate and complete repatriation, as harsh as it sounds. At this rate, the EU as we know it won’t remain much longer.
The EU is so much more than its immigration policy, so “the EU as we know it” is an irritating formulation and claim to me.
Distribution and moving are alternatives. It’s not like sending back is the only option.
The EU as we know it is the EU with the Schengen area, free inter European movement and choice of residence. The ability to work and live anywhere in the Union. The Union without border controls. This is very much at risk due to the unwillingness to curb economic immigration.
The immigration crisis is caused by liberal dogma and capitalist desire to maintain poverty wages, which are being suppressed by the constant influx of desperate laborers who are willing to work for crumbs. The new arrivals are not properly integrated into their host society, neither on an economic nor a cultural level, causing subcultures to form that feel no longer affiliated with the greater society as a whole.
This is conflating so many things it’s almost impossible to reply.
The EU as we know it is the EU with the Schengen area
EU and Schengen are different things.
There are Schengen countries that are not in the EU and EU members that are not in the Schengen zone.unwillingness to curb economic immigration
Every ‘expat’ from the US, every Indian programmer, every EU citizen working in another EU country is an ‘economic immigrant’.
That has nothing to do with Lampedusa.capitalist desire to maintain poverty wages
What are you on about? Those people aren’t even allowed to work.
The new arrivals are not properly integrated into their host society
Yes, they are kept in an overcrowded camp on a small Italian island.
You realize that without the influence of workers the poverty will explode because noone can work for the pensions of all the old people?
Also parrallel societies are created by the main societies. You know the main societies where people with the same ideology as you hunt people in the streets for having the wrong skin colour, or looking muslim or jewish or gay.
The reactionaries and fascist deliberately hinder integration so they have a scapegoat to blame when they rob the people. But we already see, that immigrants and refugees are not enough so they revert back to attacking Jews and LGBT communities.
Im not opposed to immigration, but it is simply a fact of reality that we are doing it wrong, and the result is a re emerging right.
As for the reduction in labor force that would occur without a constant influx of desperate unskilled workers: the basic system of supply and demand would then cause wages to skyrocket, transferring wealth to the lower and middle class on a large scale in the short term, and spur technological advancements in automation to compensate, proper governmental regulation provided to prevent outsourcing.
This in turn will require a shift to full UBI and automation taxes to keep society functional, finally putting us on a track to a post-scarcity future.
In short, constant, unrestricted immigration does both the refugees facing growing resentment and the marginalized native lower class a disservice by helping the ruling class to keep their labor suppressed.
i think you are seperating cause and effect and give them one direction, where it is a multitude.
We are also doing immugration wrong because of the new power of the right. They want to make things worse, so they can give these as scapegoats. The German Fascist party AfD themselves said, that if it is bad for Germany it is good for them.
If you think supply and demand would just cause wages to rise and things to work out i have two bad news: The first is that the system is getting rigged against the workers, in particular by right and far right parties. They will increase work hours, the retirement age and introduce mandatory “social years” aka forced labor, before allowing their rich donors to have to pay significantly higher wages.
The second is that it doesnt matter if your wage doubles or triples nominally. With less laborers tu support the unproductive elders all we will see is a huge wage and price inflation, until the retirees are priced out of life. Money is just an exchange tool. If the input and outputs of the economy get disbalanced it doesnt matter how much money you assign to it. And all the automation we had so far went fuck all to benefit the workers. Instead it jsut made the rich more rich. That will not change.
Also i dont get why you talk about social issues and think that these are caused by immigration and not by a powerful capitalist elite that is proposing “market based solutions” only when it benefits them and keep the current status quo despite all economic reason. The issues remain the same in countries with low immigrataion and in the countries with higher immigration now they werent better befor either.
The EU itself can and will break over this unless a long-term solution apt to keep social peace is found. All countries east of Germany, most prominently Poland and Hungary, will never take in African migrants. Simply won’t happen, they’d rather leave before being strong-armed into compliance. Leaving the EU is not even unthinkable for many Germans, anymore.
Hungary leaving would actually be a benefit to the EU since having a dictator inside the EU is more of a problem than Hungary provides as a benefit.
Anyone who seriously considers leaving the EU just has to look at Britain to see what a disaster of an idea that turned out to be.
Talking to the English I know, their problems aren’t substantially different than ours (Germany). In any case, the UK being worse off is due to not being in the club. When there is no more club, a new institution shall emerge under a different premise.
their problems aren’t substantially different than ours (Germany)
Except that we don’t have to wait for many hours to go across the border, we can order most products within a day, even if they aren’t shipped from our own country, our food doesn’t rot before it reaches its destination if we try to export it, our manufacturers aren’t closing down because their supply chain is disrupted,…
Yeah sure. The Poland that is receiving 10 billion € more from the Eu than it pays every year is going to leave over that. And then all the polish people working in other EU countries and all the factory workers, whose livelihood depends on exporting goods to other EU countries clapped.
You are delusional.
Of course Poland won’t leave free money on the table. But they will only stay as long as they can guarantee to stay culturally homogenous. On the contrary, it’s delusional to believe that a substantial number of Polish people would ever be fine with Warsaw having a demographic like Berlin or Hamburg.
They will fight off black folks and Muslims tooth and nail.
