A poll released by Gallup on Tuesday found that the majority of Ukrainians want peace talks to end the war with Russia. The poll, conducted in August and October, found that 52% of respondents wanted talks with Russia to end the conflict as soon as possible, while 38% believed Ukraine…
No, Russias peace plan is the separatist nations get to exist, and Ukraine doesn’t get NATO bases so they can’t build up a second attack any time soon.
Didn’t you hear, Putler is a fascist madman who will stop at nothing short of Soviet revanchism or European Lebensraum, depending on which member of the Council on Foreign Relations you ask on a given day.
russias’s “peace plan” is “Ukraine no longer exists”
No it isn’t. Eastern Ukraine and neutrality is still very far from the end of Ukraine and is still very reasonable deal to make for peace.
Zelensky’s peace plan is still Russia to retreat from everywhere, including crimea, and then Ukraine can have “peace talks” about Russian reparations to Ukraine. This is not just unreasonable, it’s delusional. This kind of unbending attitude from the side that everybody knows is losing is no fucking bravery. It’s stupidity that prolongs a lost war for only Ukraine’s and Ukrainian people’s loss. All because Kiev and Zelensky are politically and narrative wise boxed themselves in for a war to the bitter end.
“unreasonable” is a choice of words… russia invaded a sovereign state; that was their choice… i’d say it’s very reasonable for russia to fuck right off and fix the damages, which is to say nothing of the lives ukraine lost because of that choice - anything less is unreasonable
whether that’s realistic or not is another question, but fair and reasonable are not realistic because the world is not fair, especially when it comes to the bullshit bullying that happens with all major military powers
i’d say it’s very reasonable for russia to fuck right off and fix the damages, which is to say nothing of the lives ukraine lost because of that choice - anything less is unreasonable
Yes, This is what you want! It’s a wish not bound in any sound perception of reality on the groundt.
people shouldn’t have to keep dying for a lost cause and I will not apologize for that. Ukraine still has a change for a future, but it won’t if it fights this war to “the last Ukrainian” as zelensky and many “pro-Ukraine” trolls seem to want.
bullshit bullying that happens with all major military powers
International politics have always been law of the jungle and ability to do violence of political, economical and military kind to other countries has always been the measuring stick of international power and ability to guard national interests. Why anybody got to believe otherwise was because for a short time in the 90s and early 2000s US was the unquestioned global hegemon and could by itself set a global rules, enforce them and crush dissent. That gave the illusion (in the west mainly) that there were no longer small and big countries in competition in the world. With US as the policeman there got to be some semblance of law between countries like there was law within these countries among individuals.
Now Russia is portrayed as a law breaker when it’s using it’s “military veto” in Ukraine and pushing against the post-cold war status quo and “restoring normalcy” in international affairs.
I don’t think this is necessarily good, but I do think it is very much happening and it was bound to do so.
well no shit. the problem is russias’s “peace plan” is “Ukraine no longer exists”
The Ukrainians seem to disagree.
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No, Russias peace plan is the separatist nations get to exist, and Ukraine doesn’t get NATO bases so they can’t build up a second attack any time soon.
Russia has been quite reasonable throughout.
Didn’t you hear, Putler is a fascist madman who will stop at nothing short of Soviet revanchism or European Lebensraum, depending on which member of the Council on Foreign Relations you ask on a given day.
No it isn’t. Eastern Ukraine and neutrality is still very far from the end of Ukraine and is still very reasonable deal to make for peace.
Zelensky’s peace plan is still Russia to retreat from everywhere, including crimea, and then Ukraine can have “peace talks” about Russian reparations to Ukraine. This is not just unreasonable, it’s delusional. This kind of unbending attitude from the side that everybody knows is losing is no fucking bravery. It’s stupidity that prolongs a lost war for only Ukraine’s and Ukrainian people’s loss. All because Kiev and Zelensky are politically and narrative wise boxed themselves in for a war to the bitter end.
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“unreasonable” is a choice of words… russia invaded a sovereign state; that was their choice… i’d say it’s very reasonable for russia to fuck right off and fix the damages, which is to say nothing of the lives ukraine lost because of that choice - anything less is unreasonable
whether that’s realistic or not is another question, but fair and reasonable are not realistic because the world is not fair, especially when it comes to the bullshit bullying that happens with all major military powers
Yes, This is what you want! It’s a wish not bound in any sound perception of reality on the groundt.
people shouldn’t have to keep dying for a lost cause and I will not apologize for that. Ukraine still has a change for a future, but it won’t if it fights this war to “the last Ukrainian” as zelensky and many “pro-Ukraine” trolls seem to want.
International politics have always been law of the jungle and ability to do violence of political, economical and military kind to other countries has always been the measuring stick of international power and ability to guard national interests. Why anybody got to believe otherwise was because for a short time in the 90s and early 2000s US was the unquestioned global hegemon and could by itself set a global rules, enforce them and crush dissent. That gave the illusion (in the west mainly) that there were no longer small and big countries in competition in the world. With US as the policeman there got to be some semblance of law between countries like there was law within these countries among individuals. Now Russia is portrayed as a law breaker when it’s using it’s “military veto” in Ukraine and pushing against the post-cold war status quo and “restoring normalcy” in international affairs.
I don’t think this is necessarily good, but I do think it is very much happening and it was bound to do so.
Lick that boot harder.