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Summary
Donald Trump’s re-election has fueled a surge in misogynistic, homophobic, and racist rhetoric among young men, reportedly emboldened by the president-elect’s history of inflammatory remarks about women.
In schools, boys have been caught using phrases like “your body, my choice” against female peers, prompting districts like Minnesota’s Hopkins Public Schools to issue warnings to parents about harassment.
The impact extends beyond schools, with activists on Texas State University’s campus displaying signs asserting that “women are property.”
This hostile climate has left many women feeling unsafe as a new far-right administration takes power.
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Calm down, everyone. Remember, both sides are the same. Harris would have been absolutely no different.
For the members of r/whoosh, I believe this is what’s known as sarcasm.
In all seriousness, I expect a torrent of Tone Police popping up everywhere, telling everyone to Stop Being So Mean To Deplorables ™.
Remember, both sides are the same.
Thumbing a picture of Jeffrey Epstein besides Bill Clinton and Donald Trump
Ok and? We weren’t trying to elect Bill Clinton you fucking mouth breathing cretin.
We weren’t trying to elect Bill Clinton
Clinton was a major campaigner and bundler for the Harris administration. And he’s just the most blindingly obvious example. David Shor, Harris’s campaign chairperson, is also a well known creep.
Thank goodness we didn’t elect Bill Clinton this year. That would have been a disaster.
Still younger than Trump
What does this have to do with ANYTHING. It shows brain damage. You should get your brain checked.
The proper response to “your body, my choice” is “your nuts, my knee.”
The correct response is “If I’m going to jail because abortion is murder, I may as well kill my rapist”
Yes, but that’s far less pithy.
Also ignores the power dynamic at play. The boy while complain to his Trump-loving teacher and the teacher will call the principal and the principal will call the police and the police will come and arrest the child and then take her to jail where other cops will rape her.
And if you talk about the epidemic of child abuse in police custody or the long history of sexual violence by cops, you’re hurting the Democrats in the next election.
just tell them to remember Lorena
We’re talking kids threatening other kids here. Lorena Bobbitt will mean nothing to them. A knee to the nuts, on the other hand…
well it might give them something to ask about from their parents and spread it around in so doing. but yeah a knee is a good idea in the moment
When dealing with an active threat, a response that the assailant can ignore afterwards is a useless response.
I’m teaching my daughter the same lesson I was taught. You never start a fight but you sure do end it.
Tbh, this is all a fucking distraction from the class war that the oligarchs are winning without competition. And what a distraction it is! The cure to all these ills is higher taxes on the wealthy, but I don’t think any of those reforms are going to be remotely possible now lol
Remember that 53% of white women voted for this.
They voted for them and all women to be considered property.
College-educated white women backed Harris. All college-educated groups did. Maybe Democrats should work on making college more affordable, and accessible to women with small children. Frankly we should anyway. We should also start helping girls that get pregnant in high school finish with their diploma so college will be an option in their future. Especially since more of them are going to be forced to carry the pregnancy to term.
Maybe Democrats should work on making college more affordable
Why do you think the wingers reacted so much to having loan forgiveness? Anything that educates more people is something they fear. Having people not being saddled with crippling debts after school only sends a message to others that maybe education is a path for them. The wingers don’t want an educated citizenry.
No, the gop has weaponized anti-intelectualism. The reds won’t vote for a candidate that wants to make college affordable.
Indeed. The qons will call anyone with a degree an “elitist” [1], meanwhile, give the likes of Elon and the convicted felon, who are actual elitists, reacharounds. It’s almost as if actual meanings of words mean nothing to them.
[1] This does not apply to their own kind, even if they were born rich AF and went to Ivy League school(s).
No? What do you mean? You agree with him.
I see you don’t like “right wing” any more than I do, because I think they justify their actions by thinking “we must be right, we’re the right wing.” So I call them the Wrong Wing.
Or sometimes the Human-Rights-Destroying Wing.
Reich wing.
That definitely works too
The DoE is already under attack. It’s part of Project 2025, and they’re laying the groundwork for it already. They’re going to work hard to ensure education is difficult to access and/or neutralized as much as possible.
No, democrats need to adjust their messages to people without a college education.
One of the things that makes Trump so popular is that he panders to people without much education.
A better-educated public is a net gain regardless who’s running the government.
Better educated women are less trapped in abusive relationships, although it still happens, because they have better job prospects and better chance to get law on their side.
Unfortunately no one hates women more than other women.
Article filled with examples of men expressing hatred and misogyny towards women
“Ayup, no one hates women more than other women!”
You still can’t deny that women do hate women here.
53 percent of women hate women with that additional 10 percent of young women that voted to hate women.
I mean I’m willing to give women as a whole a quarter as a condolence prize since they played themselves.
Sorry not allowed to acknowledge the fault of any woman, it’s all men’s fault in the end. /s
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We thought we could bargain with and persuade “conservatives”. They voted for this, they are okay with women dying in hospitals because the doctors can’t legally intervene. The supposed “Pro Life” party. I wasn’t okay with abortion early in my male, hetero, American, white, life but now I see. They are only pro-fetus. Once a child is born, Republicans don’t care if they starve, if they have access to clean water, if they can afford food, if they have shelter, if they are raped, etc… Multiply that by about 100x if they don’t have white skin.
“Conservatives” are almost as bad as MAGAts, and just as unreachable with reason, logic, and empathy. I don’t have a solution, I’m just pissed off. And I’m far from the most-harmed people will be the result of this greed, racism, apathy, and hate. Sorry…
Inaccurate. 53% of white women who voted voted for this. A lot sat out and let it happen.
Or were pushed away by voter suppression and hopelessness…
Where is oversimplification going to lead us one day?
Oh, it’s 2024, never mind then
as i just said in another comment, it scares me to see this shit AGAIN.
this narrative is not making women any safer!
Yeah, the truth certainly doesn’t make women safer.
You really should talk to other white women about that.
which truth is that, that no one hates women like other women?
look at the current climate, i see a lot of woman-hating from all sides, including supposed allies on the left looking for a scapegoat. the oversimplified victim-blaming of dumping our president-elect at the feet of women (again) demonstrates very little understanding of gendered power dynamics and very little effort to build coalition.
to this i would add the threads blaming racial and ethnic minorities, the poor, and the poorly educated.
do you want less suffering in the world, or are you no better than the right in looking for someone to blame, and someone whose suffering you can enjoy because, “they asked for it, they voted for it, they deserve it?”
The truth is 53 percent of white women including 10 percent increase of young white women voted for the behavior. Behavior mind you were say on full force since 2016 and white women voted for again.
As for me, when I being a minority, when I voted for Harris, knowing full well who Trump and company, was looking to my back, didn’t expect 53 percent of white women of stabbing me and other women in the back. And seeing as white women voted for more suffering so I’m going to enjoy the schadenfreude because I’m sure as hell tired of trying to bail the country out from the stupidity of Americans in general. If that makes me as bad as the right, I’m okay with that, at least I voted to not enable this behavior, unlike 53 percent of white women who literally voted for this behavior.
White women need to get there shit in order so fix your own shit before you get all huffy with everyone else who are tired of trying to save you from yourselves.
Again, you should talk to other white women about that.
At least all these undatable men are outing themselves so publicly.
Start making a list ladies!
I’ve been very frustrated that these guys bad behavior is being generalized to all guys. I’m viewed with suspicion despite taking active steps to make things better for the women in my life. I’m not perfect, and I have my moments, but I’m not the undatable Republican dude we’re talking about here.
This isn’t the women’s fault, but I wish I could give some of these asshole misogynists a kick in the face for fucking it up for the rest of us. Having said that, I will be ban happy as a motherfucker the next time I run public events (used to teach classes, think dance, yoga, etc.)
It’s the point where we have to be anti instead of just not. Being anti racist, anti sexist, etc. Calling out the behavior at every turn instead of when it’s especially egregious or burying our heads in the sand as was the norm for decades before.
True. Also, it has to be individual actions since we can’t rely on the Democrats and we definitely can’t rely on the Republicans to fix this from the top down. We’re actually going to have to talk to the misogynists in our lives. Why can’t people fucking act right?
Real men respect women.
Probably going to make 4B more of a thing.
Also: Nick Fuentes has been out as very undatable for a long time.
His in group loves to frequent strip clubs and prostitutes. One of his more high profile stunts was to pay for Brandi Love to attend a GOP convention.
He’s not in it for dating. He sees women like fast cars or fancy gadgets or big houses - just another commodity to demonstrate your status.
I’m thinking he’s someone that had his lunch money taken every day at school, had zero luck with women (or lusted after men but grew up with a warped belief system about sexuality and lives in the closet) and now just wants to make sure no one else is happy, either.
He found fame and money saying this type of stuff. Its to the point where people exclude his attribution in the title because otherwise its not very interesting.
Anybody who’s surprised should take a deep look in the mirror. You bitches elected a literal rapist into the white house. This is the “great” leader republicans rally behind!
Rapist, terrorist, moron. The trifecta. We’re literally living in the worst timeline :/.
This is all those bastards at CERN’s fault! Somehow the LHC pulled us into a shittier universe where Hitler 2.0 rises to power and there is a series of books called “The Barenstain Bears” instead of “The Bearenstein Bears.”
Harambe would still be alive. We never should have built that collider.
Before you criticise, you should have seen the alternative timelines! If we had switched on sooner, we might have been able to avoid this one, but we didn’t.
All I will say is imagine a Trump with a triple digit IQ and competent advisors. It was horrifying. Multiple techs took compassionate leave after seeing some of the projections. Poor mark still can’t make himself enter the building!
Wow, the guy who bragged about how he sexually assaults anyone he finds attractive, talked about how he had the same “on the younger side” tastes as his best friend Jeff, talked about how he liked hosting beauty pageants because it gave him an excuse to walk in on girls while they were changing, etc emboldened other people to act the same way? Utter shock. This could never have been anticipated
20% of Americans voted for him because he told them it’s ok to be a rapist.
Chat, are we fucked?
As an Ai I can’t say whether you’re fucked or not, but it sure seems to be heading that direction
The 2nd Ammendment remains a thing in MAGAstan America, and women retain the right to arm themselves for self-defense. Stand your ground is for women too.
Which is why I have zero qualms about teaching my daughter to stand up for herself in any and every way necessary to end a threat
Ah yes, economic anxiety. That’s why racism and misogyny.
But they felt poor! That’s what is making them so rapey and weird! I mean, eggs cost what, $100 each now?
The thing is: Biden and the Democrat Party made them this way!
The flet poor thing was the difference maker. I don’t think anyone is saying everyone who voted for trump did so because they felt poor.
Obama caused racism.
Maga is not sending their best. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.
They’re absolutely sending their best.
The problem is what they’re best at is being Maga assholes.
I think op’'s comment was a dig at Trump’s anti-immigration stance. He often said the same thing except substitute the word immigrants.
You and MAGA have very different definitions of best, crime, and rape.
Bruh, I hate this timeline.
I feel like I accidentally triggered some portal and walked into a TV show / movie.
Nothing feels real anymore.
It was December 21st 2012. The Mayans were right. A timeline ended and were falling into some clown mirror black hole ever since or something.
I thought everything went crooked the day Harambe died
The Cubs won the world World Series.
Naw it UGA winning back to back titles after the Braves. The lack of championships in the state of Georgia was holding reality together
For many it was when Harambe died…
For me, it was when David Bowie passed…
And for many others, it was when Taco Bell got rid of Baja sauce.
Peanut is the new Harambe.
That racist ventriloquist’s racist ouppet?
What?
What the fuck is that?
There’s a reason I haven’t put my dick away since then…
When does the current Mayan calendar period end?
Well after current human civilization ends.
I thought 2012. Wasn’t that the point?
Yeah but it’s ended before. It then starts the circle again at year 1. I think I remember that it was a really long time frame.
also the meaning isn’t even “end of the world” there are at least three calendars the classical Maya used on a daily basis, how serious they were about cycles, or what would happen isn’t evident, we know their religious leaders would postpone 50 year cycle holidays if it was a poor year to celebrate, famine, plague that kind of thing.
Yeah, next one is on March 26, 2407.
Tbh, for me, I’m realizing it’s triggering a sort of sea-change in terms of how I, as a citizen, want to interact with American society.
Laws, ethics, human dignity and empathy clearly aren’t important to people here. Money and power are. This is fully incongruent with my personal beliefs in a variety of fundamental ways. I’ve tried to aim my career at areas that are going to help better society - that’s a big part of why I work at an oncology-focused biotech now. But like… I’m faced with the realization that this country just doesn’t share my values, and doesn’t actually care that I willingly take markedly less compensation than, say, working at Meta, and it’s primarily because I want to make the world a better place.
I admit it’s starting to feel like an abusive relationship. I don’t think the world is going to become a better place in my lifetime. It’s going to get a lot worse in a lot of ways. My initial reaction was to begin taking steps to just fully fuck off from this country, and find someplace else with a society that hasn’t fully eaten itself. Try to keep my sanity and ethics in one piece by finding a new society to call home that’s not America.
But I ALSO have begun to realize in the last couple days that there’s another darker path I could take that denys the society I’ve honestly come to resent pretty strongly the my true capabilities and abusive consumption of my efforts: Malicious compliance. I could just fully jettison my ethical guidelines and engineering principles and simply min/max the absolute fuck out of comp and just retire early. Work for Meta or OpenAI or some health insurance company or whatever the fuck is the absolute most lucrative job I can find and just fully shoot for leadership metrics, not really fucking caring about the toxicity of the management class, the morale or well being of my team, the impact my work has on society, the quality, reliability, and integrity of the code I ship, or any of that ivory tower crap I’ve previously held as crucial elements to my profession. Stop trying to move the needle in the right direction. All gas, no brakes. If this country is determined to not give a fuck, why should I? Why shouldn’t I try to get to a place in my career where I can just retire, or do whatever I want without worrying too much about the personal consequences, because I can just fuck off at my own discretion due to money?
And the second, darker option has the added benefit that I wouldn’t have to essentially abandon my family here, who are definitely not considering moving away as seriously as I am. My parents are both not in the best of health; maybe I should try to at least spend some more time closer to them before I just fuckin leave - or at least, as long as I can stand it here before the “fuck off and leave” route is truly the only viable option.
America is dead to me. As a European, I already had a pretty negative view of the states, I especially hate the worse parts of American culture that seep in into our lives, since sniffing US ass is what we do best apparently. But now, what makes America any better than let’s say Russia? The fact that people have running water at home? America doesn’t even have a human rights committee! This moment for ever changes how I see Americans, a sort of no way back. It’s a nation of bloodthirsty traitors! Blessings and good luck to anybody who still has a hint of normalcy in them. May you one day rebirth your country as a force for good once again.
Please do not make us a monolith. I am not my country, I was just born here. That kind of thinking leads to radicalism and violence. I can perfectly understand caution with “unknowns” from a group you have reason to be concerned about. Honestly from a personal safety standpoint we do this all the time. But to unilaterally decide we are all one thing and write us off (or worse) is false and dangerous.
I don’t know where you are in Europe but I love the continent and have visited many countries there. I do my best to be respectful when I visit and look up local cultures and norms so I don’t stand out and be “that American.” I’m not ashamed of being an American tourist, but I don’t want to adhere to the worst of our stereotypes. If other countries’ people decide we are inherently dangerous, being annoying may be the least of my worries should I have the fortune of making another trip there.
I’m sorry to let my emotions spill out… It’s just… It’s hard to describe how fucking angry it makes me, that the country we bend over backwards for, the self proclaimed beacon of freedom and liberty, is now the beacon of rape and war! My only hope is that Trump is so exceptionally egotistical, that getting his dick sucked from every nation will result in his indecisiveness when it comes to taking firm sides. And that we finally start standing on our own two feet…
And why? Because the average American voter is too sexist to elect a woman? Or maybe because the only two parties are pathological liars aiming to satisfy their sponsors vs literal rabies infested monsters? Or maybe voters really don’t look at what candidates are actually saying. It doesn’t matter what the reason is, but America as a country mustn’t be relied upon.
You have a known and confirmed rapist, convicted felon and Russian collaborator elected as president…AND OVERWHELMINGLY SO!?! If Trump’s presidency turns out anything like Project2025 or continues down the “Russin/North Korea is our friend, gotta kill the enemy within” route, we might very well have another great war on our hands.
As an American, it’s hard to describe how fucking angry and aghast I am at both my countrymen and our one not-overtly-fascist party. I’m right there with you.
I understand (from my American perspective of course). I live in a swing state in the U.S. that went for Trump. I have the same fears and can only hope if war results from us that it is kept within the borders of this country. Obviously I would prefer violence not be the end result regardless.
Please just know that there are many many people here that are just as concerned and fearful as you are. The people I know that voted for him are either woefully uneducated or are misled by their religion (which in and of itself is a form of ignorance/being uneducated). And while they can still be dangerous, the true fascist zealots are still a minority.
I cannot excuse the people here who voted for this, at this point all I can say is that I am a human, you are a human. I don’t want you to hurt, I’m pretty darn sure you don’t want me to hurt. Let’s do our best to separate this fucking mess from the individual humans who are stuck in it and on the periphery of it, and hope to hell none of us become collateral damage.
I’m feeling the same mostly. I don’t make as much money as you, but I’m ok because I don’t have kids and I’m in a low COL area. Which means I travel much of the time and leave my wife undefended. She is open to getting a pistol and learning. I’m getting a rifle. We can’t leave because her mom is elderly and will not leave. Hell we’ve just got her convinced to move 20 miles to live with us.
Once her mom lives out her life we will have options. We can see how bad it plays out. I want to move to Uruguay or Costa Rica badly.
Good luck to you, friend. I hope you and your family can stay safe.
When I have gone through this thought process lately, I’ve concluded that even if I plan my life in the most cold robotic way possible, my mental health and general well-being are at their best when I am compassionate towards those around me.
So first you must ask yourself what your true goal is. Do you want to “win” some shallow materialistic version of life? Or do you want to help others, or just be happy regardless of what it takes? Then that helps inform later decisions.
My automatic assumption has always been that saving everything, retiring early, and being a recluse was my path to a happy existence. It’s just what I felt I wanted to do. I bet I’m not alone there.
But then I had the great luck to have COVID come around and fuck up my career and finances in a few different ways. Now I’m stable again at work and my finances are a disaster, but I’ve waded through so much shit mentally that even though big retirement account balances feel great, that’s not what creates real joy, contentment, and even optimism.
…In my brain anyway. It’s like we all have slightly different owners manuals but we don’t get a copy of it and have to reverse-engineer it. In my case I had some things I cared about a lot get torn away, but I still had my family, and I realized that without that stuff that got taken away I was still the same person and was just fine. That definitely flipped a switch or two. Well, that and a grueling couple years dialing in medications, lol. Anything that helps!
I do understand what you’re saying. But at the same time, the foundation of the premise you’re presenting begs the question “do I still consider this society worth saving”? And quite frankly, I can no longer give an unambiguous “yes” to that question. THAT is what I mean when I say the result of this election has made my sense of misanthropy spin wildly out of control.
Oh yeah I get that. The disbelief and disappointment are off the charts for me.
But to continue my train of thought, what’s worked well for my mental state is to give myself permission to focus on the small scale and those close to me rather than (justifiably) dwelling on the fucked up state of society at large.
So instead of worrying about whether society is worth saving, I worry about whether my own sanity is worth saving, and by extension whether it is worth trying to have a happy and fulfilling life. And that’s not just being selfish. It’s equivalent to putting on your own oxygen mask on an airplane before you help others. With my head on straight, I can help improve the lives of those around me, and that is not only worth it but feeds back into making my own life and mental state better.
And from time to time I also like to remind myself about how insane it is that we even exist, that clouds of matter formed billions of years ago in supernovae were able to coalesce and form self-aware brains. It just makes me more interested in learning about existence and the universe.
And when I point that attitude towards the fucked up things in society and the world, it certainly doesn’t make those things better. I think about how I am watching significant history being written, and I can at least be an engaged witness even if I can’t change the course of that history. Though I do try where I can, and of course vote accordingly.
That’s a really healthy and rational way to unpack the situation. I’ll have to give it some more thought. For what it’s worth, thank you for sharing that.
I appreciate the reply. Thanks for the discussion!
I originally wanted to do what you’ve done, but eventually fell on the idea that the country is essentially beyond saving. Should this hold true, the best option then is to join a grassroots movement and begin building an alternative economy from the ground up as a ready replacement for the collapse of the current system. Join a socialist organization, work for a land trust, start building cooperatives and alternative food systems, etc.
Isn’t this kind of shit that you guys have the 2nd amendment for?
women shouldn’t need to kill people in order to live in the US. And their assailants almost certainly also have access to firearms because, the US (either legally or in violation of red flags etc).
people shouldn’t need to kill just to go about their fucking lives.
Shouldn’t? Shouldn’t.
Does, tho.
people shouldn’t need to kill just to go about their fucking lives.
This has been a sad necessity for most of our species’ existence. Recent history is the most “civilized” we’ve ever been.
Ideally we move forward not backwards :(
If such a metric (being “civilized”) could be graphed, I’d imagine it would be an oscillating sin wave on a slight upward trajectory.
how?
Pew Pew boom boom.
I meant how does the 2nd amendment apply to someone calling you names?
Also, I’m afraid this is not just a “spike”, per se, but more like a prelude to much worse, including not just threats.
Your kids will be fine as long as they join the Trump youth
How sad due to the internet, this is spilled over to the younger generation.
statistically younger generations tend to skew more liberal. Now we know why Musk bought Twitter propaganda.
I will tell you that middle schoolers these days just say the dumbest shit. Like lines they’ve heard others say but have no idea what it means.
And they argue over the dumbest shit too. Anyways this is just me saying this story fits well with my current understanding of young kids in school. I think its only news because it related to trump and the election, and thats worth money nowadays.
Remember, the news stories we are served are chosen by profitability rather than social impact.
As someone who grew up pre-Internet, I will say that the Internet was not required for middle schoolers to say dumb shit. In fact, as I saw the “information superhighway” blooming, my hope was that the dumb shit would be squelched a bit by people being able to look up and fact-check all the really stupid stuff I’d hear.
That didn’t pan out, and in fact, I wonder if Gen Z will be one of the very most reactionary “generation” to come down the pike. Boomers got a lot of shit despite a lot of them pushing leftward very hard when they were young, and now I’m hearing lots of dumb things about Gen X and Gen Y (and people in the Gen X age bracket falling for “but mah expensive bacon” I kind of get - both age groups are perhaps in the place where they are caring for older parents AND younger), but Gen Z?
WTAF. I mean they are very, very young, and they broke right? When donnie was the option? I seriously do think the Youtube/Tiktok effect is being seen here…
I think with young voters the main difference is they think voting is a cool thing to do regardless of party. They still are very susceptible to the media bubbles, but I’m not sure either party has the advantage there.
I saw both sides of tiktok for republicans and democrats, and it was like they paid the same viral marketing campaign because they followed the same templates.
Short clips, out of context, along with a quick message leading you to the right conclusion. Not a whole lot different than the radio and TV ads.
