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ID: line drawing of an upright bunny with a black bandana tied around their neck, holding a lit match in their mouth like you might a toothpick. The text says “we can’t just vote fascism away, the time has come to disobey. (be brave!)”
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Everyone’s fantasy of armed and organized leftist resistance would’ve been a lot easier to do without right-wing extremists in control of the federal government.
If you are organizing publicly online, they aren’t going to just sit back, they are going to come for you.
This is going to be a repeat of iran in '79. Leftists will be wiped out.
Organizing gives them a way to find you. Act alone, together.
We have at methods of decentralized encrypted communication. There are ways to organize securely.
Just a warning, and I’m hoping we never get to this point, but you’re wrong. The issue isn’t that the technology doesn’t work. The issue is the more people in the loop the easier it is to infiltrate. If you’re organizing to do crime, communicate as little of it as possible, even if it’s encrypted. The encryption only protects the message from being seen by outsiders and doesn’t prevent an insider from being a spy.
We’re all spies on this blessed day
MAGA is not a protected class, resist them at every facet of your life, give them no quarter
This would make a fantastic tattoo.
It would!
E: I wish I could find the original artist
The word you’re looking for is: civil disobedience. Break laws, get attention. Our grandparents did the same thing during Vietnam.
No, the word you’re looking for might be civil disobedience, but there is nothing civil about what I have in mind, nor should there be.
I reserve my civility for those who extend it to me, not for fucking fascists and Nazis who want to kill marginalised people for who we are.
Also, considering how long the Vietnam travesty went on for, and how little, if any, impact the protests against it had, I wouldn’t be so quick to use them as a reference.
These are technical terms. There’s legal protest, then civil disobedience—this is how we ended Jim Crow; a lot of people had to go to jail to fight the system—and then there’s domestic terrorism. If you don’t think civil disobedience is going far enough, then you’re advocating for terrorism.
this is how we ended Jim Crow
Yeah, and got whatever shit still remains today, including systemic white supremacy and slavery.
As for the imaginary line between “protest”, “freedom fighting”, and “terrorism”, it is one your oppressor has defined to make sure people like you turn your backs on those actually brave enough to take on them and their system in the only meaningful way there is to oppose it. Maybe consider thinking more critically about the world and who defines its rules for you.
So while we’re bringing up grandparents - I’m going to take my lead from some of my own, who were armed partisans in the Polish forests, and armed fighters in a ghetto rebellion, shooting Nazis because they knew it is the only way to defeat them. (E: and if you’re only ok with people fighting back once they’re in the cage, you have chosen the side of those doing the caging)
Enjoy your sit in, those of us directly in the firing line don’t have time to learn our lessons from the white washed history those who want to suppress us teach.
E: oh, and while we’re here, and since you brought up Jim Crow, maybe consider the words of MLK, and where you fit in on the demanding order over justice scale:
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
about %50 not voted for Trump maybe less than %1 of that willing for armed resistance. about %50 voted for trump half of which is masturbating to the idea of being able to use their guns on the other side.
time to be realistic…
Or time to invest in ballistics.
Really though, gunnuts come in all shapes. I think you might see a lot more left leaning ones popping up.
Violence is not any solution to political change. The elected president of the United States is Donald Trump, and while I and many others are not happy, violence is not any answer to an outcome you don’t favor. You people disgust me, and while I’m largely sure half of you live in Moscow, it’s still unacceptable and unamerican to even talk of violence like this.
I’m not saying people should jump to violence, but to say it’s never the answer is nieve. Would you say Hitler shouldn’t have been violently opposed?
Get organized and work for good. Build your community, join mutual aid groups, and do whatever you need to do. Also, be prepared for whatever may come. If violent resistance is needed, be ready. Hopefully it isn’t but, as Thomas Jefferson said:
“[W]hat country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Don’t give up hope. If they want to bring fascism, make them fight for it. Don’t let them have it for free.
You are a reasonable person with reasonable opinions and are entirely correct. Those in this thread explicitly calling for violence deserve our condemnation.
Congratulations on siding with and enabling fascism! 🎉🎉🎉
E: Oh, and just to give you a clue, not that you’d let it penetrate your well maintained wall of wilful ignorance: we aren’t the ones inflicting violence, we are the ones fighting back in self defence. You are the one on the wrong side of history.
Pro-Toupee people are Russian bots, pro-third party people are Russian bots, anti-genocide people are Russian bots, anyone who wasn’t enthusiastically a right-of-center Democrat is a Russian bot.
I had no idea so many people are all Russian bots!
I’m not sure they are going so hard right now, since the election is done, but the Russian trolling strategy was to sow division by pushing every side of every conflict further to the extremes.
Like say for feminism, there would be some claiming feminists are just anti-man and want to replace the patriarchy with a matriarchy, others would be pushing the message that men are evil and shouldn’t be trusted, while others would be saying women belong in the kitchen to serve their husbands and sons, and yet others would be complaining that men never listen. And they’d do all of this loudly with the hope of drowning out the more reasonable and moderate positions and make it an unsolvable issue because all sides don’t think there’s any compromise possible.
And once you know the pattern, it’s visible all over the fucking place.
Agree, trolls sowing division among society are unquestionably everywhere, operating in countless way, some more direct, some more veiled. But why is it always russian trolls? Don’t you think that others have the motive and tools required to influence societal behavior in a way that aligns with their interests? And don’t you see how the very dismissing of opinions differing to one’s own as trolls is in itself keeping us separated?
Yeah, you’re right, Russia isn’t the only one with troll farms. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some based in every country in the world. Not all of them state sponsored, but it’s an effective strategy to disrupt communities and keep people from working together. Edit: though I’ve come to see it as kinda like Kleenex, where the entire phenomenon is referred to as Russian trolling even though not all trolls are Russian brand trolls.
And you’re also right about that last point. I don’t know if there is an effective way to deal with them. Even if someone called out as a troll really is one, just calling them out can alienate others who resonated with what the troll said.
I’m not sure if there even is an effective counter strategy.
I’m tired of “being the bigger person”. Four years ago, Trump wouldn’t even admit that he lost the election. They’re hitting below the belt, and we have one hand behind our back.
“We can’t just vote fascism away”
Well, if you’d voted for Harris we could have, but have fun doing it you way, especially now that the military will be standing by to kill your asses on sight.
Since you can’t bother to formulate an original thought, I won’t bother providing an original reply, here’s a copy pasted one I made earlier:
Lmfao, news flash: it’s already here, has been for a while.
Never mind that never in history has tyranny ever been voted away. To think otherwise you must completely misunderstand what tyranny and fascism are, as well as how the current establishment functions.
Oh is it, now? smh If you really do have the guts to go out and protest the mass deportations, Gaza, and whatever else, you’ll find out the hard way what fascism really is. But I have a feeling you’ll just stay home and watch it on TV.
Trump losing elections doesn’t change the people who vote for fascists. We can vote out Trump, we can’t vote out the corrupt police, the companies that enable and fund it, and the mass media that supports him.
Trump is the symptom of a larger disease.
I believe, if we get to that point, a large portion of the military will be on our side. There are still a lot of good people in the military that, if it’s turned inward, won’t follow those unlawful orders.
I also had hope that Trump wouldn’t have won the election though, so this could be wrong.
They definitely won’t be on your side. Of course some will have qualms about carrying out those orders against their own people, but for various psychological reasons, they’ll go along. The best chance is if the military leadership refuses to give the unlawful orders to their troops.
Yeah, a lot of the leadership wouldn’t follow that order is what I was implying. The grunts would then have to decide who’s orders are valid and figure out what side they’re on.
If Trump uses the military on citizens, I’m reasonably confident that’s the start of US Civil War II.
Yeah I hope they wouldn’t. Maybe they’ll try to resist it for a while but they’re choosing between following orders and losing their career at best and possibly more extreme retribution from trump at worst.
We could have voted it away. And it would have been way easier than the alternatives. But we chose not to.
But since we didn’t organize to vote it away, I’m not sure how we’re going to organize a general strike. And anything else is so difficult and so messy and has very little guarantee of improving anyone’s conditions.
We could have voted it away.
Lmfao, news flash: it’s already here, has been for a while.
Never mind that never in history has tyranny ever been voted away. To think otherwise you must completely misunderstand what tyranny and fascism are, as well as how the current establishment functions.
Vote it away. It’s been a joke for so long and people cling to the idea that it works so badly. I am Canadian. We are also past voting. The systems of government must be torn down. They are corrupt and do not work for the people.
Hear hear…
I’m in the UK and we have the same situation + monarchy, for added funsies. I keep thinking people are getting enough of a glimpse behind the curtain at the fact that the system wasn’t designed to serve them, but to centralise power in the hands of very few people who exploit the rest to continuously strengthen their own power, but part of those efforts are the propaganda, and it just goes to show how well it works that despite so much ugly truth being revealed over and over, some people still see “my team vs your team” as the only way to exist. It’s both sad and very scary.
snap, also in the uk, are you in a political party?
Hey neighbour.
And no, as an anarchist, I’m not a member of any party.
Sick I attend a local anarchist group called radical learning based in devon.
Solidarity comrade.
Solidarity!
I just looked up that group, I’m assuming this is it? I’ve only skimmed the page and will give it a good read in a bit, but that’s really fucking cool, I wish I wasn’t hundreds of miles away lol but it’s always good to see leftists organising in this country! I’m in the process of moving, not sure exactly where to yet, but once that’s happened I’m hoping to find some anarchist and communist folks locally to wherever I am, having that kind of community is so valuable.
We could have voted it away.
Don’t forget gerrymandering and other fraudulent methods of deciding victory like the electoral college being baked into this diseased system.
They only give the illusion of choice.
None of that stopped Biden from winning last time when people actually showed the fuck up to the polls.
The 2-parties in this monopolized system are owned by the same corporate interests and mega-rich. Everything is by their design. We never had a choice.
The system will never work for us, because it’s working as intended. We need to annihilate it and start from scratch. There is no fixing it from the inside and hoping the next person isn’t just another lesser evil to vote for.
How does enabling a fascist help us on this path?
How does enabling a fascist help us on this path?
Are you responding to the wrong person? Who’s talking about enabling fascists?
How does not voting and allowing a fascist to win allow us to dismantle the system?
How does not voting and allowing a fascist to win allow us to dismantle the system?
Who the hell said to not vote? I’m saying it’s not the cure for this diseased system that we need to dismantle and rebuild. Vote on that 1 day, then organize with like-minded people to enact some real change every other day.
Please don’t twist my words.
general strike.
Oh you sweet, summer child…
No no no I’m sure you know those that couldn’t even be bothered to go vote, those people are now getting ready to man the barricades
Exactly. I’m sure they are…
I more meant it as “a general strike wouldn’t work”
just no. god damn liberals!!!
How many guns does the bunny own?
They used to own tons, but sadly since the boating mishap, they’re all at scattered at the bottom of a really deep lake.
Who would have thought that bringing every single one of your legally purchased firearms onto a small boat to show them the world would be a bad idea?
Oh well, no need to look for them.
…I’m afraid to ask.
It’s just a joke about how people “don’t have any guns” because they lost them. Not stolen because they would have to report that. They’re somewhere unreachable that you technically COULD verify, but likely wouldn’t unless there’s a very specific (usually requiring a warrant to get people to move) reason.
So “boating accident” is to goto joke accident. Nobody would actually believe you if you said that to a cop, judge, or courtroom.
Omg thank you, lol. I am not in touch with gun culture at all.
No idea about the bunny, but his friends in Vermont have a bunch
I couldn’t tell you, but they sure look like they could get hold of a few when needed.
I still have hope that we will have a democracy in 4 years. We’ll see how it goes. It might be time to get a firearm and start putting in some range time.
I still have hope that we will have a democracy in 4 years.
This is what people, both libs and “teach the dems” non-voters don’t seem to be getting: that’s not how facism works. Even if it were the case, at minimum, the courts are captured for the rest of anyone currently living’s life. That’s done.
Yeah, this is where I am.
This is why I agree with Republicans on guns rights. They won’t give up their guns so fuck it, give me one too.
Also do these other things… Read a few books on guerrilla warfare and tactics.
Learn to sew
Learn to operate a radio
Grow your own food
Generate your own power
Fascists government are going to target your comfort and communication in order to enforce compliance.
the range time alone is worth doing.
I’m still feeling bitter and a fast food place last night asked me to tip, so it got me thinking that maybe this is the time to push out tipping culture. If the country wants the party of “fuck you, I got mine”, then fight your own battles for your wage.
Legally, if they don’t make minimum wage through tips then the employer has to make up the difference (in practice this likely doesn’t happen). Maybe it will make them care more about the minimum wage if it affects them.
instead i would say you could tip and hand out union material now that would really fuck the rulling class off.
Make a bunch of those fake dollar bills the Christians like handing out as tips
I can see where you’re coming from in theory, but if we rely on employers to treat employees fairly we’ll be waiting a long time (they’re already demonstrating that they would rather ignore the law and potentially face a minor fine, than pay the minimum wage), and the only ones who will suffer will be the sub-minimum wage employees who now aren’t getting that tip either.
You make people care by building solidarity with them, not by using them as a bargaining chip.
If wait staff stop getting tips, eventually they will strike or quit and the restaurants will have to change their model. My solidarity exists that if they strike then I won’t shop there until they agree to a compromise. I don’t see how the existence of the US’s unique tipping culture is our responsibility.
So your solution is to starve those already struggling, instead of support them and together taking the fight directly to the employer, or even better, to the political establishment?
That’s a really gross and privileged take. Do the people in your vicinity a favour and don’t eat out, they don’t deserve to have to wait on someone who would rather see them starve before offering any support or even solidarity.
E: I’ve got it now - yours is the liberal version of pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
That is fighting with the employer. Tipping is what the employers want. That’s why my idea of “disobeying” was that this is when the movement to end US tipping culture makes sense. Europe has restaurants and they don’t have a tipping culture.
I don’t get why if I don’t tip that I’m the one starving the employee, and not the employer.
The cashier making MacMinimum Wage needs your political throttling ?
They are your emotional pawn because you look down at them being poor ?
What a great Democrat you turned out to be. You could run for president with that kind of attitude.
They aren’t a political pawn. This is what we want. This is what we voted for. It’s not my responsibility to pay their wages. If they don’t like their compensation, they can strike or look elsewhere for employment. Clearly trying to push for better compensation through law isn’t going to work.
Bunny joined the SRA and local socialist/communist party/org
be more like bunny!
Fuck these fuckin’ fascists (Fuck these fascists) Fuck their family and friends (And their friends) If they defend a fuckin’ fascist (Their ancestors) They can fuck off 'til they’re dead (And all their kids)
calm down man, my dads a fascist and if i died because of his beliefs there would be one less socialist
It’s a song, Fuck These Fuckin Fascists by The Muslims
My bad I felt personally attacked ✊ less personal now.
Edit: sick song.
