As always, disclaimer that I’m not a US citizen.
You usually see quite a few people mentioning leaving the country if Trump would get elected, but how realistic are those plans?
Not to say it’s not justified with the prospect of Project 2025 (see the other thread), but seems like a huge life change that is probably not possible for most of the people.
I may not have a choice. My wife is an immigrant. She’s fully legal. If Trump carries out his plan to deport all immigrants she’s going someplace (yet unknown) and I’ll follow. What a nightmare.
I wonder if they’ll send a letter asking your wife to please leave, or if you’ll come home one day and she’ll just be gone.
Like as in “made to become disappeared”? This turned dark pretty fast.
As in a group of Jack booted thugs come along , load you into a van without warning, without cell phone or anything. Then they drop you off wherever they think your country is with no resources.
Alas, that turned out to be just as dark as I thought it would be.
If you want to really know feasible this is, go read about how Stephen Miller (architect of the Muslim ban) wants to use red state national guardsmen to go to blue states and sanctuary cities to kidnap and deport immigrants.
Hint: It’s bad.
I was wrong. It was actually much darker than I thought possible.
For posterity, here are a couple of links that talk about this in depth,
https://forward.com/opinion/668440/miller-trump-madison-square-garden-immigrants/
That could cause another civil war.
This is my biggest fear
I wouldn’t wait, if it was me. Maybe not pull the trigger now, but definitely have some plans in place. I’m feeling a little bit nervous that I’m just starting to look at my options now.
Is she a US citizen yet? Was wondering why this is unknown - but if she became a citizen and her birth country didn’t allow dual citizenship, then they may not accept her back.
The worst part about this is that he supports remigration - suggesting that even those born in the US without any other citizenship (ironically, being eligible to become US Presidents themselves) will also get kicked out.
No she’s not a US citizen, so she would be accepted by her home country. I could go with her. But that would mean the end of her career. I’d have a tough time because I’m not fluent in that language. In theory I could work remotely but our lives would/will be totally upended. Plus the climate is much different there so she’d be unhappy about that too.
Well, there’s a tiny bit of good news there - at least you have an idea of where you could go and are likely to end up.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed that it won’t come to that for you and her, though.
The US no longer requires you to renounce your previous citizenship.
OK, didn’t know that. But her country does require it.
Nothing saying anyone has to report anything
Sorry to hear. That must be very stressful.
Same here. May be moving to the Philippines earlier than expected.
I finished renewing my passport just in case but have no plans at the moment. Not sure where I’d go. But now that it’s over, I’m leaning towards staying here and fighting. Fuck them. We shouldn’t make it easy or comfortable for them to oppress the people here who can’t leave.
Having a passport and some friends overseas is a good idea. Maybe even an employment plan or otherwise a stable landing place if it gets very bad.
I agree about staying to fight. But trapping yourself into a battle with no way to retreat, when you know it might get bad, isn’t good strategy.
Good point. It might be a good idea to set up a Plan B anyway just in case.
This might ultimately get solved with EU boots on American soil.
I doubt it. The EU as a whole, without the UK, lacks force projection capabilities. It’s one thing to string a supply line overland through the continent. It is a whole different thing to string supply lines across an entire ocean. Without massive military spending, which is historically deeply unpopular in the EU, I don’t see them invading any time soon, and THAT assumes the political will to even consider that as an option exists in the first place.
Someone free us! Lol
I don’t know where I’d go. Regardless of this particular election, I’d love to live elsewhere, but I’m only fluent in English. Not to mention, there seems to be rising fascism all over the place.
Find me a mid level cybersecurity job in an EU member state and I’ll be right over.
I’m lucky enough to be a white, cis male, but I am bisexual. I’m extremely lucky to live in a very liberal area, but I’m afraid that won’t mean much for long. I fear for myself, my family, and my little sisters especially. And I fear that there’s nowhere to run to because US hegemony shapes the world.
I’ve been proudly out for 10 years now, but half of my family assumes I’m straight because they’re the type of people who assume everyone is straight until proven otherwise. The majority of them likely voted for Trump.
no one wants Americans in their country, and I don’t blame them. Sadly, most of us can’t afford to leave. I have a pretty good tech job but even that isn’t enough to move my entire family. Grab some marshmallows and let it burn I guess.
You need loads of money, great connections, and/or a really high level of some really particular skill. It’s out of reach for most people.
I’m leaving.
IMPORTANT PSA: most people won’t be as fortunate as I am. Look into “digital nomad visa” options. These typically last six months to a year, and many countries have them now including France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, and more. Requirements will be slightly different for each but it can be an option to escape while you figure out next steps!
That being said…
I’m very fortunate to have family wealth, a high paying, niche tech job, and contacts in various places around the world
Current front-runners are The Netherlands where I could “buy-in” or Japan, where my employer may be able to sponsor me
Following. How does one “buy-in” into the Netherlands?
Make approximately $1.2m USD investment in any combination of property, businesses investment, etc. You still keep the equity. But it’s basically “add money to the Dutch economy in this amount”
Good luck!
Wait a minute, doesn’t Netherlands have a fascist government now too?
Germany: fascists on the rise. France: fascists on the rise and appeased by centrists. Italy: fascists fully in charge! Netherlands: fascists! Finland: fascists
I mean, where the fuck do you go?
Not that I’m aware of? I know there is a single politician who is notoriously far right but I’ve not heard anything about the entire government being fascist.
My brother lives there. He loves it. High taxes but they’re used well for the benefit of the people
The Trump Presidency is bad enough, but the American system could survive another one like it survived the last, through Congressional and judicial power and the fundamental checks and balances.
Republicans have won the House, the Senate, and the SC. The Supreme Court already handed the Presidency dictatorial power.
The Experiment is over. If you’re not planning to get out you need to be planning to fight, and not with a fucking protest sign.
I’m one-hundred percent considering this. I spent the four years under Trump on the ground, organizing my community and resisting fascist chuds on the ground, and got mostly flack, backlash, doxxing attempts, 30 extra lbs I can’t seem to shake, and bullshit from shitlib’s who just spent the previous 6 months making the argument “but Trump worse” and cheering on the Chenys.
There are basically two options I see for me and my family right now. We can either stand and fight or we can let this go. My lesson learned from 2016-2020, is that Democrats/ Liberals do not have your back. You can not expect to be able to rely upon them to show up or do the right thing. Democrats have spent orders of magnitude more effort fighting and trying to beat the left than they have the rightward march to fascism. So any kind of fight or resistance you try and muster; you have enemies at both your fore and aft. Liberalism and Democrats haven’t shown me that they are worth fighting for.
I am considering leaving, but it pains me to just “run away” from a problem instead of trying to solve it. this is where I live. I want to love it.
got a friend with a trans son looking for an out of country transfer under their job. I hope she can get it and keep the kid even a tiny bit safer.
leaving is a privilage though that almost none of us will be able to afford. even if you pull it off, thats a huge risk to take unless you can afford to just not give a shit. and in that case you’re probably fine with the election outcome anyway.
My family is planning on moving to Europe, not exactly sure where. It’ll probably largely depend on where we can get residency and jobs. Spain and Austria are our current leaders for various reasons.
We’ve been unhappy with the way American society functions for a long time and we’re tied of swimming upstream to make things better, so this is the load of bricks that broke the camel’s back.
I do feel like I’m abandoning the people who are in greater danger than we are and can’t afford to leave, but honestly if progressives can’t be bothered to do the absolutely bare minimum and vote until their version of Jesus runs for office things are never going to get better. I’m not going to waste my life while people we need to make change do fuck all but whine and wish things were different when they do nothing meaningful to change it.
A couple of the more privileged (wealthy) friends with my disability are planning on moving, most others cannot afford it or don’t have the financial capital to be accepted for a residency permit anywhere (our illness prevents us from working).
I know someone who left last time, does that count?
Definitely! Where did they go?
France! Just up and bailed!
We have a family member who is special needs, and their family relies on government help to get by…
They may have to leave, and it breaks my heart.
Does anyone know what project 2025 says about special needs folks? My brother is special needs
I am. My wife and I are trans and it’s better to be twitchy than dead. Current attitude is to try to get me citizenship because my grandpa was an immigrant
