I’m making this post directly in response to the extremist moderation in this thread, though I came very close a little while ago to a similar post because of moderation here
Comments that have been removed on the grounds of “No bigotry” include:
There are no good guys in that conflict. Only innocent civilians.
Maybe provide examples? I see nothing that would prevent me from saying that with a straight face.
Gee, I don’t know, I vaguely recall a (perhaps minor) news item happening on the 7th, something about a music festival? I may be misremembering though, since this very impartial news site has no mention of it whatsoever.
It’s a terrorist organization vs terrorist state. The only good guys are the civilians dying on both sides.
Everyone who opposes genocide, colonialism, and terrorism are the good guys, so neither Israel or Hamas. But Hamas is not Palestine/Palestinians, the same way that Israel/Zionism is not Jewish/Judaism; no matter how much Israel, Hamas, the media, or military industrial complex tries to conflate them all. IMO Israel is more to blame than Hamas as they should know better given a) their history of persecution b) their significantly greater wealth and education, and c) their demographics — more than half of all Palestinians are technically children, below 18.
I don’t know what could possibly be less “bigotry” than that last statement. Now, I side pretty much 100% with Palestine in the Palestinian genocide being committed by Israel, but it’s not even remotely bigoted to suggest that maybe the killing of civilians, even if done in the name of a good cause, does not make the killers “the good guys” (even if they are “the better guys of the two bad guys”).
And in the other thread, they removed comments like:
That’s pathetic. That’s a pathetic misunderstanding of geopolitics and the nature of modern intelligence infrastructure. You’re still in the mindset of “Having SIGINT = bad guys”. As if places like Russia, and North Korea would just be magical kingdoms of freedom and accountability if they just didn’t have signals intelligence! That’s stupid. What differentiates the west (much like what differentiates good media sources from bad) - is accountability, and oversight. Anyways I’ll let you get back to your petty fears and misunderstanding the basic lay of the informational and geopolitical landscapes. Maybe if Trump magically wins the election Glenn Greenwald will spend Trump’s time in office attacking the Democrats and defending Trump and Russia again. I’m sure you’d enjoy that. The crypto-rightwing are just like that. Aren’t you. Semi-pro-authoritarians who don’t understand what causes freedom, and think it’s something about being a soldier of fortune for a foreign state, or something that comes from “the barrel of a gun”. Idiots believing they’re freedom fighters popping some imaginary info-bubble. You don’t know how lucky you are, or how good you have it, or why… That’s your problem, and your weakness.
which were critical of authoritarian states in a mildly impolite way for being violations of their “Be respectful” rule. Meanwhile they failed to remove (and in fact, the comments came directly from an admin) comments that are far more directly disrespectful to their interlocutor, like:
This is wrong on so many levels 😂 If you’re this propagandized, then I’m sure you don’t know what actually happened in and around Tiananmen Square, which by the way is not even censored in China like we’re always told.
Followed by a gish gallop of links.
And
Okay, stay confidently incorrect in the Five Eyes corporate media bubble then 👍
“I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.”
and the especially pathetic disrespectful comment consisting of nothing but:
The admins of that instance are pretty blatantly disregarding their own rules in order to push their agenda. If that shouldn’t be grounds for defederation, I don’t know what should.
edit: accidentally left a link out earlier
I personally don’t think staff of a community or instance choosing how they administrate posts there is a solid grounds for defederation, nor do I think defederation is a useful response.
If you find their moderation and staff intolerable (and fwiw I also think some of those bans are poorly justified), I recommend you block those communities or their instance from your account. But I don’t think blocking their users from contributing here and blocking us from contributing there is appropriate.
The problem is that there’s no incentive for anyone to create or use similar communities on other instances if the one on ML is currently the biggest. The more people defederate ML the better the chance that an AskLemmy or similar community can actually be successful on another instance. Somewhere that criticism of authoritarianism doesn’t get you banned.
I got banned from politics @ .world for saying that the Uyghur genocide is made up and not even Radio Free Asia or Adrian Zenz have managed to make up any evidence for the past 3 years, while the instance is full of people denying the explicitly graphic genocide in Gaza. Please explain to me how .ml is more authoritarian than that
Good, fwiw you’re banned here too now.
Well done
Lmao. You deserved that ban.
There is debate whether the human rights abuses against Uyghurs is genocide or not. But there is clear evidence of abhorrent abuses and genocidal tendencies.