I have seen many people in this community either talking about switching to Brave, or people who are actively using Brave. I would like to remind people that Brave browser (and by extension their search engine) is not privacy-centric whatsoever.
Brave was already ousted as spyware in the past and the company has made many decisions that are questionable at best. For example, Brave made a cryptocurrency which they then added to a rewards program that is built into the browser to encourage you to enable ads that are controlled by Brave.
Edit: Please be aware that the spyware article on Brave (and the rest of the browsers on the site) is outdated and may not reflect the browser as it is today.
After creating this cryptocurrency and rewards program, they started inserting affiliate codes into URL’s. Prior to this they had faked fundraising for popular social media creators.
Do these decisions seem like ones a company that cares about their users (and by extension their privacy) would make? I’d say the answer is a very clear no.
One last thing, Brave illegally promoted an eToro affiliate program making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.
Edit: To the people commenting saying how Brave has a good out-of-the-box experience compared to other browsers, yes, it does. However, this is not a warning for your average person, this is a warning for people who actively care about their privacy and don’t mind configuring their browser to maximize said privacy.
Let’s not forget one of the biggest investors is a right-wing billionaire who runs a corporate intelligence agency that contracts with the DoD. And the only proof we have that he doesn’t collect data on Brave’s users is the questionable word of the devs.
Brave has been off limits for me ever since I saw my QAnon nutjob father using it lol.
I would appreciate if we don’t bring politics into the conversation. They are completely subjective and only serve to stray away from the original point.
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Yes, I’m aware I’m in the wrong here.
Privacy is a political subject.
Please educate me. Why is it political?
Because governments and corporations all over the world are trying to hollow out privacy?
Brave is literally a grift. Too many people are falling for it.
I turn on youtube and see no ads
Just use uBlock Origin.
What are the better solutions for iOS users?
Someone mentioned Firefox Focus.
I would recommend waterfox. I use it on windows, it doesn’t run great on Linux so far so on my Linux machines I use Firefox.
How about the Opera Browser?
Proprietary, controlled by the Chinese Government, spyware, Chromium.
Don’t touch opera, avoid it like the plague
I have installed it on all my devices. Firefox is standard from now, becouse of its open source culture etc.
They got sold to a Chinese firm and it appears that much of the core development team abandoned the project and restarted under the name Vivaldi.
Vivaldi
If you absolutely have to use a Chromium project, then Vivaldi is the one, but at the end of the day it is still unfortunately Chromium.
Might I add brave’s BAT wallet is garbage. You had to sign up to some random exchange and upload your ID (I didn’t), but even that you couldn’t even backup your wallet into a new install, so hope that you would never have to format or reinstall or change devices - it’ll be a pain to restore, if it was even possible.
Firefox over brave any day.
Never used it, I saw some twitter comments from it’s CEO and this guy isn’t trustable.
I go with Firefox and sometimes epiphany. Last one tries to accomplish the level of the well known ones but is mostly years behind. That’s sad, because I really like it.
If nothing else, I would recommend Firefox over Brave for the sole reason of the latter being yet another Chromium browser. It would be nice if we could eat away some of the browser marketshare from Google.
Brave is not spyware. That website you linked is horrible and full of misinformation. They also claim that Firefox, and even Tor Browser, are spyware. They act as if any and all connections a browser makes are automatically bad and used for spying/tracking.
I won’t disagree with the other criticisms of Brave that you made, but just wanted to point that out. That website is just highly unreliable and makes verifiably false claims about the browsers it reviews.
Brave is not spyware
It is officially spyware now: https://www.ghacks.net/2023/10/18/brave-is-installing-vpn-services-without-user-consent/
Just commenting to let you know I’ve clarified a bit in the post. Also, stock Firefox is spyware so.
Stock as in out-of-the-box.
Edit: If you want to downvote this go ahead, but at least know that it’s true. Without changing ANY settings, Firefox is spyware.
Never heard of that. Please do not just claim things without clarifying.
It’s a well known fact that Firefox is full of telemetry that you need to turn off. There’s a reason for so many user.js files and forks existing.
Using the terms “telemetry” and “spyware” interchangeably makes the former seem more nefarious and the latter less nefarious. I understand where you’re coming from but I wouldn’t want to see the term “spyware” diluted to include anonymised data about how users are using product features.
That’s not to say telemetry data is fine or that a company might claim to only use telemetry data isn’t actually using spyware.
I’d say that many telemetry servers counts as spyware.
Just stop giving any advice please.
Firefox + Startpage is really cool. I like how their searched don’t include the search parameters in the url + the built in proxy
Even worse for privacy, it uses the Chrome engine.
Brave always marketed itself as hardened privacy browser and the second I saw their shitcoin immediately bells went off.
Either way, I use Librewolf on PC and Mac and lately been giving Arc a try on Mac and I like it.
Arc is, I think, not particularly a privacy focused Browser, but I only use Mac at work and privacy ain’t my main concern there. So privacy aside and a little tear shed that it’s not FF based, Arc is just great.
Even if they were amazing, it would still be worth using Firefox instead to suppport an alternative to chromium.
I absolutely agree, many news about security issues have already been published before.
Oh no, a shady, unknown neocities site is telling me to not trust my browser! Yes, I can use Firefox, uBlock and uMatrix, except on iOS, where I can’t do that, and that is where Brave does a good job. I am really tired of those „Brave baaad“ posts. Look guys, unless you are using Linux you might want to direct your attention at the huge, morally flexible company that does collect your data, no matter what browser you choose.
a shady, unknown neocities site is telling me to not trust my browser
Spyware Watchdog has been a resource for checking browser’s for a very long time. It’s not longer maintained, which is why I said “in the past”.
uMatrix
The fact you even bring up this dead extension…
except on iOS, where I can’t do that
You can use AdGuard and Safari, but if you’re on iOS you’ve already given up any semblance of privacy in the first place.
Oh, yes, because Android is so trustworthy, right? Google would never turn evil, after all. But I suppose you are sharing your wisdom from the coziness of a Windows desktop.
There are plenty of open-sourced android OS’.
GrapheneOS, LineageOS, CalyxOS, ect. You have options, unlike with an iPhone.
So you would agree that bitching about the browser while using a stock OS is kinda pathetic?
I admit to using Windows, however I don’t use stock Windows. The version of Windows I use has made the telemetry and such as minimized as possible. The only reason I haven’t switched to Linux is because I still rely on some programs that don’t have great Linux alternatives. Just because you are running an OS that isn’t the most privacy-centric doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care about privacy at all.
That is true but Windows is a privacy nightmare. You may be able to mitigate the problem but it’s still windows. When your house is on fire and you tell people to please not use candles, you are technically correct because of course we don’t want more fire but does it really matter?
So if you can’t use a private OS is better to just send your data to many third-parties as possible? I don’t follow your reasoning.
Actually, giving many parties a bit of your data is indeed still better than giving all of it to one. That, however, is not the point: As far as privacy is concerned, i cannot see any facts that would lead me to believe that Brave is any worse than Chrome, Safari or Edge.
thanks for the links and info. I use brave as well as firefox and other browsers depending on what device I’m using. The spyware link is worth a quick read to understand any risks. It’s great to see some analysis done there. I actually feel a little better about brave now, I’m ok with those risks for most cases and brave blocks ads better for me than what I’ve seen in other browsers. I’m always willing to switch though, I have no loyalty to any browser.
