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  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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    5 months ago

    Hamas has exactly the same conflict of interest as Likud: Keeping the war going and creating suffering for “their” side helps drive support from their fellow countrymen who by and large don’t like them otherwise, and kind of want to get rid of them.

    I won’t say that there’s a direct similarity but they both have reasons to reject peace proposals and keep the slaughter going, to the detriment of “their side.”

    • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Hamas’ reason for their attack on October was very likely to blow up the negotiations between Israel and other Arab countries to normalize diplomatic relations. Even if they also wanted the conflict to legitimize themselves in front of Gazans, I doubt Gazans need any more bombs to fall upon their heads to get the message.

      I don’t think it’s impossible for them to tense the cord and try and get more out of the negotiations, but they don’t really have anything to gain from extending the hostilities.

      • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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        5 months ago

        Israel is a lot more malicious in their sabotage of the peace process than Hamas is, yes. Like I said, I’m not suggesting an equivalence between the two; Israel is clearly worse. I’m just saying that Hamas also has some of the same twisted incentives in place.

        They didn’t suddenly murder hundreds of innocent people back in October because they wanted to inflame a sudden spasm of peace and good will. Just because Israel is worse, doesn’t mean Hamas is not bad.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 months ago

          No they murdered people because they were being murdered and wanted the murdering to stop. And since murdering Palestinians was fine some of them figured they could do the same thing since apparently it’s fine if the israelis do it.

          And since we all collectively decided to ignore the peaceful march to return in 2018 Hamas had to come to the conclusion at some point that we do not care about people that ask nicely.

          It must be difficult to comprehend but one side is fighting to achieve peace. The other side is fighting to eradicate all the Palestinians and steal their land.

          This is very clearly reflected in Hamas consistently trying to achieve a ceasefire and israel doing the exact opposite.

          • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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            5 months ago

            wanted the murdering to stop

            How’d that work out

            If they were killing Israelis in some way that would lead to better outcomes for the Palestinian people, I’d say that’d be pretty well justified at this point, for more or less exactly the reasons you said. That’s pretty fuckin far from what they did though.

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              5 months ago

              They certainly did heavily target military bases with a >33% military casualty rate.

              As with any armed resistance you get some people that are less educated and more vengeful. Locking people in a concentration camp for 20 years doesn’t do wonders for their mental.

              Also it’s working out pretty well for them because as the popular saying goes: The guerilla wins if it does not lose. And Hamas is not losing right now.

              People seem to heavily underestimate how bad the living conditions in Gaza were. There was less bombing 1 year ago but they were certainly still dying from diseases and were malnourished.

          • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            5 months ago

            Why do you claim Hamas is “fighting to achieve peace”? Which of their actions seem to indicate this?

                • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  Because israel was holding Palestinian hostages and turned Gaza into an open air concentration camp and that’s not very cool. And israel keeps terrorizing their mosque which is very Islamophobic.

                  So Hamas asked israel to stop nicely in 2018 with the march to return and israel held a Palestinian kneecap shooting competition.

                  Israel decided that they don’t listen to people that ask nicely. Now we’re here.

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Continuing the Genocide is a key component stupid Hamas with their permanent ceasefires. 😤