Errol Morris and Jacob Soboroff discuss their new film, “Separated,” which chronicles the Trump administration’s “Zero Tolerance” immigration policy, which separated more than 4,500 children from their parents between 2017 and 2019. 1,300 children are yet to be reunited due to incomplete information on their families, because “the idea was to avoid records,” says Morris.
Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
I’m in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it’s to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What’s the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?
Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn’t closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.
Based on the downvotes, it seems we’re indifferent about the principles underpinning the constitution and the entire legal system, the right to a speedy trial and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.
Most of this wasn’t tested in those legal cases - to my knowledge, they didn’t even meaningfully challenge the fact that these detainees were being held by the US on foreign soil to transparently and dishonestly skirt those protections.
Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don’t know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.
What I did read a while back was that Obama didn’t know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn’t once he lost the house.
I’d say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that’s just my opinion.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it’s all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it’s all too hard.
Funny thing that. It’s almost like being destructive is a lot easier than being constructive.
That’s weird because it’s certainly a lot easier and quicker to build an entire city than it is to raze one…oh wait, no, the opposite of what I just said there is obviously true.
You’re using the vaguest possible language and imagining you’re profound, then dismissing the example I gave because it disagrees with your narrative by point to burning villages as though that means anything?
I gave the more specific example of destroying Republican legislation, and either you’re too dishonest to acknowledge that, or too stupid to understand. Why be like this?
I’ll be more specific and point to 4 executive orders from Trump that Biden destroyed, and ask you to explain precisely what the fuck you think you’re talking about?
Preventing Online Censorship
Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence
Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes
Rebranding United States Foreign Assistance to Advance American Influence’
Try to refrain from smugly gesturing at vagueries - you look silly enough as is.
I gave the more specific example of destroying Republican legislation, and either you’re too dishonest to acknowledge that, or too stupid to understand. Why be like this?
Yes I’m too stupid. “Why be like this?” indeed.
How about instead of a weirdo list of things you’ve randomly assembled, we take the actual subject of this original post into consideration?
The reason they haven’t re-united the families is largely that there were no records and/or shitty records kept about who was separated from whom, so they don’t know who the children’s parents are.
Yet another example of how it’s easier to make a situation worse than it is to improve it. It’s much easier to separate families and bus the people in them around the country, and it’s harder to figure out whose 4-year-old some kid is.
The democrats are following the law set up by the republicans underneath gwb.
Unless you want biden to act like a dictator, there isnt much he can do considering the state of the senate/house.
Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
I’m in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it’s to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What’s the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?
Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn’t closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.
The irony.
Would you mind giving a quick explanation of your understanding the rule of law and its relevance to the constitution and US legal system?
Bonus points for extending this explanation to the 5th-8th amendment (particularly 6 and 8).
Based on the downvotes, it seems we’re indifferent about the principles underpinning the constitution and the entire legal system, the right to a speedy trial and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.
Most of this wasn’t tested in those legal cases - to my knowledge, they didn’t even meaningfully challenge the fact that these detainees were being held by the US on foreign soil to transparently and dishonestly skirt those protections.
Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don’t know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.
What I did read a while back was that Obama didn’t know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn’t once he lost the house.
I’d say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that’s just my opinion.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it’s all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.
Funny thing that. It’s almost like being destructive is a lot easier than being constructive.
That’s weird because it’s certainly a lot easier and quicker to build an entire city than it is to raze one…oh wait, no, the opposite of what I just said there is obviously true.
You mean like destroying the GOP’s atrocious policies, right? No? Then you might need to explain yourself, friend.
Yeah, that’s it. Improvement is really just destroying destruction!
Wow, you really got me there. 😆
After the village has been burnt down, it’s easy to fix because you just burn the ruins!
You’re using the vaguest possible language and imagining you’re profound, then dismissing the example I gave because it disagrees with your narrative by point to burning villages as though that means anything?
I gave the more specific example of destroying Republican legislation, and either you’re too dishonest to acknowledge that, or too stupid to understand. Why be like this?
I’ll be more specific and point to 4 executive orders from Trump that Biden destroyed, and ask you to explain precisely what the fuck you think you’re talking about?
Preventing Online Censorship
Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence
Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes
Rebranding United States Foreign Assistance to Advance American Influence’
Try to refrain from smugly gesturing at vagueries - you look silly enough as is.
Yes I’m too stupid. “Why be like this?” indeed.
How about instead of a weirdo list of things you’ve randomly assembled, we take the actual subject of this original post into consideration?
The reason they haven’t re-united the families is largely that there were no records and/or shitty records kept about who was separated from whom, so they don’t know who the children’s parents are.
Yet another example of how it’s easier to make a situation worse than it is to improve it. It’s much easier to separate families and bus the people in them around the country, and it’s harder to figure out whose 4-year-old some kid is.
Neither party has made any effort to eliminate the unconstitutional Patriot Act either, instead, actually ramping it up.
Yep - there’s no shortage of examples - this is why I point to it as the unfortunate norm.