It’s a rebadge… it’s not a damn collaboration. The Mark iv was a collaboration with a bunch of companies…this is a damn BMW, looks good but it’s a BMW.
No, it’s a full on collab. The bits that are BMW are the interior, drivetrain and the chassis. The body, suspension, and engine tune are all Toyota. Very different cars, even if they share a mom.
Also Toyota gave BMW’s engine the Toyota look-over and told BMW how to make the engine more reliable to Toyota’s standards, so we get better BMW engines out of that.
No it’s not lol the entire car is BMW, Toyota put a body kit on the z4 and called it a day. Saying they put different suspension and engine tune is hilarious… I didn’t BPU+ my supras and say I collaborated with Toyota lol
The B series has been around for a long time, Toyota didn’t do shit to the z4 version, that info is from some bullshit that some of the car mags came up with to help hype the car. A lot of us who are OG owners didn’t buy the MKV because Toyota didn’t do shit for it, it was a huge letdown to the majority of us.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a nice looking car, but it’s not going to live up to its name. Toyota should have pulled a Nissan and went over the top like they did with the GTR, which took the R series bar and raised it to mythical status. Toyota had the cash and the ability, but opted to just rebadge a pre build. They built the damn LFA, they could have even spit something out that was 10% LFA and it would have been amazing.
1: Germany has strict laws about “slap a badge and call it a day”, mainly, you aren’t allowed to do that. A good percentage of the car has to be unique. That’s why the Z4 and the Supra have different bodies and suspension - which going from a convertible to a hard top drastically changes how a car behaves.
2: Car mags nothing, the Toyota lead engineer that worked on the project, as well as video documentation, says otherwise. The B series could have been a lot less reliable, but Toyota insisted that BMW change the design in several places, which makes it better than its predecessor. Closed-deck top end, smaller, simpler variable valve timing design, these are some of the things Toyota had BMW change about the engine.
3: You didn’t get a Mk.5 anyway, so do you know the difference? Or did you roll in a Z4 and assume it’s the same? Can you tell me how they “felt the same”? Is it just the BMW active diff wiggle under power? Or are there other tells?
A good percentage of the car has to be unique. That’s why the Z4 and the Supra have different bodies and suspension - which going from a convertible to a hard top drastically changes how a car behaves.
Cool, no one said they weren’t setup different. It’s still a z4 hardtop which BMW built. That’s why the Toyota techs had to be trained with BMW and they order parts from bmw…
2: Car mags nothing, the Toyota lead engineer that worked on the project, as well as video documentation, says otherwise.
It’s called marketing, they didn’t magically do shit to that motor, it’s still a B series.
3: You didn’t get a Mk.5 anyway, so do you know the difference?
Yea, it’s still a BMW. I don’t know why you’re so upset about this.
Or did you roll in a Z4 and assume it’s the same? Can you tell me how they “felt the same”? Is it just the BMW active diff wiggle under power? Or are there other tells?
How it drives vs what and who designed it are two different things. You’re basically trying to say “if your point held any truth, then all BMWs would handle the same”. That’s not what anyone is saying. It’s built by BMW, using BMW parts, from a car they already had. It’s a hardtop z4, with a Toyota badge and nothing will change this.
It’s a rebadge… it’s not a damn collaboration. The Mark iv was a collaboration with a bunch of companies…this is a damn BMW, looks good but it’s a BMW.
No, it’s a full on collab. The bits that are BMW are the interior, drivetrain and the chassis. The body, suspension, and engine tune are all Toyota. Very different cars, even if they share a mom.
Also Toyota gave BMW’s engine the Toyota look-over and told BMW how to make the engine more reliable to Toyota’s standards, so we get better BMW engines out of that.
No it’s not lol the entire car is BMW, Toyota put a body kit on the z4 and called it a day. Saying they put different suspension and engine tune is hilarious… I didn’t BPU+ my supras and say I collaborated with Toyota lol
The B series has been around for a long time, Toyota didn’t do shit to the z4 version, that info is from some bullshit that some of the car mags came up with to help hype the car. A lot of us who are OG owners didn’t buy the MKV because Toyota didn’t do shit for it, it was a huge letdown to the majority of us.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a nice looking car, but it’s not going to live up to its name. Toyota should have pulled a Nissan and went over the top like they did with the GTR, which took the R series bar and raised it to mythical status. Toyota had the cash and the ability, but opted to just rebadge a pre build. They built the damn LFA, they could have even spit something out that was 10% LFA and it would have been amazing.
1: Germany has strict laws about “slap a badge and call it a day”, mainly, you aren’t allowed to do that. A good percentage of the car has to be unique. That’s why the Z4 and the Supra have different bodies and suspension - which going from a convertible to a hard top drastically changes how a car behaves. 2: Car mags nothing, the Toyota lead engineer that worked on the project, as well as video documentation, says otherwise. The B series could have been a lot less reliable, but Toyota insisted that BMW change the design in several places, which makes it better than its predecessor. Closed-deck top end, smaller, simpler variable valve timing design, these are some of the things Toyota had BMW change about the engine. 3: You didn’t get a Mk.5 anyway, so do you know the difference? Or did you roll in a Z4 and assume it’s the same? Can you tell me how they “felt the same”? Is it just the BMW active diff wiggle under power? Or are there other tells?
The fuck are you taking about, no they do not. All manufacturers do this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_badge-engineered_vehicles
Cool, no one said they weren’t setup different. It’s still a z4 hardtop which BMW built. That’s why the Toyota techs had to be trained with BMW and they order parts from bmw…
It’s called marketing, they didn’t magically do shit to that motor, it’s still a B series.
Yea, it’s still a BMW. I don’t know why you’re so upset about this.
How it drives vs what and who designed it are two different things. You’re basically trying to say “if your point held any truth, then all BMWs would handle the same”. That’s not what anyone is saying. It’s built by BMW, using BMW parts, from a car they already had. It’s a hardtop z4, with a Toyota badge and nothing will change this.