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I like evil/spacemacs because I can get my vim fix virtually, because emacs from a software engineering perspective is beautiful!
After 30 years coding in college and professionally, this is the ordering:
- anything else
sed -ivi
It’s the worst vietnam-era throwback mess I’ve ever seen. And in 30 years, I’ve seen some serious crap.
Nano is better than vim
In the meantime I’m happy with Kate.
She plays “Wipeout” on the drums
The squirrels and the birds come
Gather around to sing the guitar
Oh, I… Have you got nothing to say?Aw, I’m sure she’s happy with you too . ❤️
I’m too used to using notepad++ that I would rather use Kate than learn how to properly use vi(m).
Notepadqq on linux
If I wanted to hear about what’s good about Vim, should I:
a) ask what’s good about vim
-OR-
b) assert blindly that there is nothing good about vim so fanboys will come crawling out of the walls tripping over each other to tell me how I’m wrong?
To add to your line of query, what if I don’t give a shit about writing code and I just use Linux as a casual laptop user? I’ve never looked at vim or emacs, I use Kate and OnlyOffice
Doesn’t matter we will tell you either way.
- Instead of simply shortcuts, vim uses “chords”. Every new shortcut I learn can be combined intuitively* with all the other shortcuts I know.
- Because of this there’s no faster way to edit files than Vim in the hands of an experienced user.
- this let’s me spend almost no time editing code, freeing up the rest of my time for swearing at piss poor documentation.
* I use “intuitively” here in a way that not merely stretches, but outright abuses the definition of the word.
It’s intuitive if your previous editor was ed(1) and you’re using an ADM-3A-like keyboard.
They’re both fine choices.
Vim has been around long enough that I’ve found anything I want to figure out how to do has been discussed many times on various places around the internet and have yet to fail to find what I’m looking for with a search.
You shouldn’t talk about vim at all! Just write that vscode is the most flexible code editor.
I’ve seen vscode fill up home directories unnecessarily when run on the machine directly as well as remotely!
IMO vscode is a perfect example of recent software that looks great from a features pov but horrible from an efficient implementation pov. I loved it until I hated it.
Don’t use Microsoft’s version. Use Vscodium! :)
Is the whole point of this community to repost tired old memes or are ya’ll just painfully uncreative?
:q!
No, we also use arch btw.
yes
I’ll stick with my trusty Emacs (and Zile)
Still don’t like it.
Repeat as necessary.
qa Ienjoy<ESC>q 200@a
Why would I subject myself to unnecessary suffering?
One must imagine you happy
Helix <3
Yeah hx. It was hx that finally made me use vi style navigation and now I choose vim over nano almost always.
I’m halfway between hx and vim, I vastly prefer the helix/kakoune philosophy of selection, then action over vim, but I’m dearly missing plug-in support for Helix
I was going to point to visual.nvim as a possible middle ground, but it’s now archived :(
Disclaimer: I haven’t actually tested it myself
I’m just gonna be patient. Vanilla Helix is very much usable for everything I need it for at the moment, with built in LSP support, and plug-in support is on the horizon. Not sure when exactly, but it’s gonna happen eventually
Yeah I’m with you there, vanilla helix meets basically 90% of my needs so I’m not in any real rush to change
Neovim >
No thanks, I’m rolling my own text editor with a GUI…
Yes! No more keyboard! Pick your letters with a mouse and menus.
It’s an electron app…
No, I’ll likely code it in D, with with blackjack and hookers!
Once you try Vim you will never use another text editor. Or any other program for that matter because you won’t be able to exit.
I also had that experience with emacs, which has a built in help system. I couldn’t find a topic on ‘exit’ or ‘quit’ and refused to just search online.
Took me half an hour.
and refused to just search online
Unless you were f*cked by your ISP as I am right now, that’s having some balls. Or being masochist. But nothing in between
I’m editor bilingual but im a bit rusty in Emacs, so skill check: its C-x C-c right?
Yes. Though I believe it only kills the current frame if there are multiple
nano just works for me man
I liked Micro just a little bit more than Nano
I tried Micro and I found that its just Nano with a better interface and much easier to use. Its great actually but I like the vim movements.
Getting used to vim has made nano unusable for me. The muscle memory is too strong. That and all of the regex and plugin features (ex. LSP) are just too useful.
I had the same experience. Nano is great if you’re used to notepad or a generic, limited text editor.
Once you learn a terminal editor like eMacs or vim, why go back? So much less hand motion going to mouse, arrows, and back.
Genuinely took most of my notes in college on vim, when you get good it’s just faster.
I’m sure someone already made a graph plotting the hours wasted learning vs the seconds gained not moving your mouse.
This. If it was your sole tool for daily tasks it makes sense, once a month to edit a config file…not so much.
When I started working we had HP Unix Silicon Graphics systems, VI was our only text editor…so I have some commands as muscle memory. The rest of commands I open my tractor feed help printout from 30 years ago
Nice.
I’ve been using Vim daily for about 20 years, it saves me 30 minutes at a time regularly.
I’m approaching break-even on the learning curve!
I’m kidding…mostly.
May I introduce you to our Savior Helix?
