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Proton Drive’s desktop apps are open source, meaning you can review the code of any Proton Drive app for yourself.
    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
      93·
      1 month ago

      Why the but? GPL 3 is the correct license to use for open source projects to ensure they stay open and corps don’t freeload on them.

      • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
        8·
        1 month ago

        English isn’t my first language. I share your opinion regarding the license. Which connector would you use instead of “but” to indicate that you succeeded in your efforts even though it was harder you thought it would be?

        • 0ops@lemm.ee
          9·
          1 month ago

          English is my only language, and yours looks fine to me. I thought it was pretty clear from the first comment that the “but” indicated success despite difficulties, and as you clarified that’s exactly what you meant.

        • delirious_owl@discuss.online
          22·
          1 month ago

          “and”

          If you study non violent communication, folks will say to avoid using “I agree with you, but”. Because as soon as you say " but ", people get defensive and stop listening to you.

          Whenever possible, replace “but” with “and” if the sentence still has the same meaning

          • pooberbee (any)@lemmy.ml
            7·
            1 month ago

            This was not a case of “I agree with you, but…”, though. “But” is perfectly appropriate here to contrast between the first statement and the second.

  • Lupec@lemm.ee
    118·
    1 month ago

    Very nice, I do hope that helps us finally get a Linux version sometime soon lol

    • Toribor@corndog.socialEnglish
      25·
      1 month ago

      Feels like this would be a bigger win for them than a lot of other companies. The people interested in privacy focused alternative to the Google/Microsoft/Apple offerings probably have a lot of overlap with Linux users.

      • Lupec@lemm.ee
        71·
        1 month ago

        It does, yeah. Still, having access to the official client too would be nice.

  • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
    438·
    1 month ago

    sad its on github but am not complaining much

  • franiis@lemmy.world
    31·
    1 month ago

    Will they be now on FDroid? I think only one Proton app is there and it’s a little bit sad.

    • piracysails@lemm.ee
      231·
      1 month ago

      Proton VPN and proton pass

      IRRC they even removed all telemetry from pass but not VPN.

      They should definitely push drive and calendar there too.

        • loutr@sh.itjust.works
          13·
          1 month ago

          Telemetry is not bad in itself. It can be used for bug/crash reports, or usage statistics, without tracking or personal data collection.

        • Quail4789@lemmy.mlEnglish
          91·
          1 month ago

          Do you want good products? That happens through telemetry. Simple as that.

          • utopiah@lemmy.ml
            4·
            1 month ago

            I’m curious, any advice on that? How does one do “good” telemetry? I’m the first to complain about Microsoft, Apple, (even worst) Google, Meta and now OpenAI collecting data to sell me stuff… but it’s true that also some data is needed to get some kind of introspection in terms of usage. Developers need to understand what is actually happening with the software they develop.

            Now I’m wondering specifically about 2 side :

            • how to do the data collection correctly (e.g local only, only send on crash, only send without PII, store only aggregate)
            • how to get informed consent from users (e.g off by default, UX that supports understanding of why it’s done and how)

            I’m genuinely glad that the mindset around privacy have changed since the last few years but I’m wondering how, when it’s a genuinely positive good case (to truly make better products), to do it.

            • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
              3·
              1 month ago

              Your app has a button on its front page. No one ever presses that button. With good telemetry, you will know this and remove the button. The only thing you need to know is how many times each user opens the app and how many times they tapped that button. Crash reports can include the causes of errors. Without this data the app might have that unused button there forever and crash everytime anyone taps the donate button and you wouldnt know why you arent getting any dontaions.

              Telemetry is usually collected on non metered networks. Usually it is opt-out by default, set by the user in the apps settings. Personally, I’d inform the user of this and let them decice on first startup.

  • Rose56@lemmy.ca
    101·
    1 month ago

    I started with their email services many years ago, and today I user their email + free calendar. To be true, they went too much far with all these apps, but as long as it works for them thats fine.

  • bruhSoulz@lemmy.mlEnglish
    113·
    1 month ago

    Awesome! Cant wait for their wallet thing to become ready and i hope they have support for many types of coins… also i wish theyd make it so that proton drive work with joplin 😑

        • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
          2·
          1 month ago

          I was listening to it a few weeks ago, but vaguely there are auditing companies in the Netherlands that need to verify companies above a certain size whether they are handling their money properly. As I understand it includes tax accounting.
          These auditing companies don’t like cryptocurrencies. There are several of these that don’t agree to audit Proton even because they are accepting Bitcoin, but none of the remaining would accept it if they were also accepting a second cryptocurrency.

          Now that I think of it, it might have actually been the reason they don’t accept Monero as a payment? In that case, the reason for Proton Wallet being bitcoin only has something to do with another wallet’s developers having been jailed recently for handling multiple cryptocurrencies.

          I recommend you to listen to it though, if you understand english speech. There were interesting topics (and Opt Out generally has interesting episodes).
          This episode is 54 minutes, audio only. You can find it here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1790481/15505787-proton-wallet-w-andy-yen.mp3.

  • cultsuperstar@lemmy.world
    63·
    1 month ago

    I want to make the jump from Google apps but I can’t because I use GCal heavily and Proton Calendar doesn’t (yet) sync to GCal. I can enter in something in GCal and it’ll appear in Proton Calendar, but I can’t enter in something in Proton Calendar and it shows up in GCal. Hopefully they add that soon.

    • cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml
      22·
      1 month ago

      If you want to move away from Google apps, why keep using Google Calendar? Maybe someone has a suggestion for a way to work with it if you say what your continued use case for it is and what kind of limitations you are working with.

        • cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml
          2·
          1 month ago

          Ok. The way I’m set up with my partner is to have two calendars, one on Nextcloud (me) and one on Google Calendar (my partner). We subscribe to each others calendars, and I’m also formatting it the same so it appears to be one. However, we cannot edit each others entries, but for our use case that is not needed, we just need to share certain events between us. So while this is not Proton, I believe the same is doable there.

          I can see how this is not a very practical with multiple people (but potentially doable, it has been set-and-forget in my case), and if you need the ability to edit each others entries, then it is a non-starter.

          • cultsuperstar@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 month ago

            Oh gotcha, I see what you’re doing. Samsung Calendar (I use the S24 Ultra) has 2-way syncing with GCal. Everyone else is on iOS and they all have Google accounts so GCal was the easiest way to handle it.

  • JustMarkov@lemmy.mlEnglish
    710·
    1 month ago

    Wow, so cool. And Mobile Calendar source code is still unreleased, right?

    • macniel
      125·
      1 month ago

      It would have only taken you two clicks to see if the source code of proton calendar for mobile devices is released or not.

      spoiler: Yes the code for iOS and android is on GitHub.

        • SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world
          17·
          1 month ago

          GitHub has a “clone” button, if you click on that you can get git links to download the code. The http-URL doesn’t require authentication.

          Edit: I misread the comment that it’s about a different app.

    • macniel
      121·
      1 month ago

      Yeah I don’t understand why they don’t have a codeberg or similar that they host themselves.

      • Tja@programming.dev
        4·
        1 month ago

        How would that help? If you release something as GPL code, you cannot prevent it from being used to train a model, no matter where it’s hosted.

        • null@slrpnk.net
          3·
          1 month ago

          There’s a difference between handing something to someone and leaving it somewhere they happen to be able to take it from.

          • Tja@programming.dev
            3·
            1 month ago

            There’s nothing in GPL that would forbid it. Only distribution without code publication is forbidden.

            • macniel
              2·
              1 month ago

              mhm, and how would the distribution inside an LLM work? Are those code snippets CoPilot et al produce come with dedicated license sections?

              And regarding how it would help selfhosting the code: it wouldn’t be on the GITHub servers owned by Microsoft, which owns/operates CoPilot. Its akin to feeding the LLM directly by pushing it to their servers.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1·
      1 month ago

      If it is running on the server you have no way of verifying the code or the execution environment.

      Theoretically you should now be able to self host proton

        • moonpiedumplings@programming.dev
          1·
          1 month ago

          There is concern amongst critics that it will not always be possible to examine the hardware components on which Trusted Computing relies, the Trusted Platform Module, which is the ultimate hardware system where the core ‘root’ of trust in the platform has to reside.[10] If not implemented correctly, it presents a security risk to overall platform integrity and protected data

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

          Literally all TPM’s are proprietary. It’s basically a permanent, unauditable backdoor, that has had numerous issues, like this one (software), or this one (hardware).

          We should move away from them, and other proprietary backdoors that deny users control over there own system, rather than towards them, and instead design apps that don’t need to trust the server, like end to end encryption.

          Also: if software is APGL then they are legally required to give you the source code, behind the server software. Of course, they could just lie, but the problem of ensuring that a server runs certain software also has a legal solution.

                • moonpiedumplings@programming.dev
                  1·
                  1 month ago

                  I cannot find anything related to that in their documentation, their about page, or their whitepaper.

                  They talk a lot about decentralized computing, but any form of secure enclave or code verification isn’t mentioned.

                  Compare that to this project, which is similar, but incomplete. However, quilibrium uses it’s own language instead of python or javascript, like golem does. The docs for golem do not explain how I am supposed to verify a remote server is actually running my python/javascript code.