Winn always made my skin crawl!
Only two episodes in, but a hot candidate:
I think you need to be around for more than a two-parter.
I’m glad he wasn’t been around for more. 🙂
That would be difficult.
Something something transporter buffer reorganisation of the meat and for the finishing to doctor Crusher at sickbay.
Y’all forgot Jelico.
Yeah Jellico was hated at first, but in retrospect, he was goddamn right about a lot of things
The greatest captain in Starfleet history? I never forget Jellico.
Jelico was cool. After him Deanna has worn proper uniform. And it looked good on her.
Shut up, Wesley
Wesley is the #1 spot and also deserves it
and Wil Wheaton agrees
One was clearly meant to be hated.
Concurring, and it seems a popular opinion here.
There is a world of difference between a character you hate seeing, and a character that you love to hate.
Yes but she was meant to be hated the other characters were just annoying characters but she was actually meant to be a bad guy.
I also love the idea that Getty images somehow has a copyright on the picture. How can they possibly have copyright they didn’t take the picture it’s a screenshot from a TV series.
Ha ha I didn’t even notice that!
Yeah, but you’re supposed to dislike Winn, she’s the villain. Her acting was perfect for the role.
Personally I absolutely love Winn … because I hate her character so much.
As soon as I see her in an episode I know I’m gonna enjoy it because she’ll leave a lasting memory for me as to why I dislike her so much. Louise Fletcher is such a beautiful actress because she makes you forget you’re watching a TV show and makes you absolutely want to step into an air lock and blast yourself out into the vacuum of space just to leave her presence.
yup. it wasn’t until the final season that I recognized her as Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over… damn fine casting, and she’s an impressive actress, it takes SKILL to make people hate you like that.
I will never stop loving to hate Louise Fletcher characters. She was amazing.
She reminds me of Joffrey from GoT in that sense.
Good villains make you want to crawl in through the screen and punch them, and boy is Kai Winn a punchable character.
Ironically, I have never wanted to punch Q, but Sisko punched him and never Winn.
I always got the impression that everything Q did was simply irritating. Winn made decisions that actively risked people’s lives because she was looking for career advancement. She was actually a threat.
Also they kind of knew that Q wouldn’t actually allow anyone to get hurt because he probably wasn’t allowed to.
Q is charming. Winn has zero charisma.
Q did things that were ultimately to the benefit of the characters. Picard is a better person from Tapestry alone. I wouldn’t even call Q a villain. Antagonist, yes, but not a villain.
Well, except for the whole Borg incident.
I thought the idea there was that the Borg were already on the way and him doing that gave them a chance to prepare. Then they reinforced that idea with First Contact and Enterprise, because at that point they didn’t know how to write a series without the Borg.
Come on, Pulaski wasn’t that bad. She even had a decent character arc to become likeable. Winn though… yeah we hate her.
She was one of the only characters to have true growth. I loved her. Plus, Diana Muldaur is awesome. Still with us at 86!
Pulaski was a better Doctor on her worst day than Beverly ever could be.
Come on now, I don’t want to get in an argument with a dumbass, but the Beverley character had some fine moments.
I’ll give you ghost sex, and collapsing universes, but she was pleasant. Really she was there for to give Picard more emotional dynamism.
Pulaski was kinda baller though, I liked her. She had opinions and wasn’t afraid to express them. Even better she would reevaluate them upon have more data. I have a 3D printer named after her. I print my with my favorite plastic on it, TPU.
I’m just talking medical skills, Beverly was a terrible doctor, there’s no way Polanski is letting a de-evolving virus get loose on the ship!
Beverly isn’t that bad of a character, she’s just a bad doctor.
I don’t remember Polaski reversing the assimilation process on Picard.
The problem with Pulaski was that she was just McCoy with a vagina
In fail to see the problem!
I think we could have done a bit better than copy/paste and gender swap. She never got a chance to develop into her own unique character.
Pulaski had more development in a season than Crusher had in the series. When Pulaski was in a scene her presence was felt and affected the scene. When Crusher was in a scene she was just there as well, (unless the episode was specifically focused on her).
Are you saying Winn didn’t have character arc?
She had the biggest arc in startrek and it was masterfully acted…
From disliked to loathed is still growth.
Yeah, but there was that little moment in between where you almost felt sorry for her, before the ultimate “nah, she is still piece of shit…”
Same with Dukat. They really hit it out of the park in DS9 with characters in general.
Except Jadzia Dax, they did her so dirty.
The entire situation around her death was nasty, not just dirty. But we got Ezri, and I really liked her.
Not once did in all the times I’ve re watched that show have i had so much an amount of sorry for winn.
Ds9 IS my favorite Trek for what it’s worth
its more of " I hated her less for a tiny moment".
I have nothing against her actress. She played wonderfully. I really loved to hate her character. This overzealous and overtly jealous priest.
When Louise Fletcher, who played Kai Winn, won the Oscar for the equally-horrific and hateable Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, she started her acceptance speech like this:
Well, it looks like you all hated me so much that you’ve given me this award for it, and I’m loving every minute of it. And all I can say is I’ve loved being hated by you.
Clearly she enjoyed playing evil people and is very good at it. And, like most actors who get regularly cast as evil, she’s apparently a sweetheart in real life.
I don’t know, Winn stresses me out. I always think DS9 is my favorite until I remember how much I hate Winn, and how much anxiety she creates, and I hesitate. I don’t like to hate her. I just wish she weren’t there.
with every rewatch of TNG, i come to appreciate Pulaski more and more. her exchanges with Moriarty, in particular, make for an enjoyable watch.
The Elders tell me Pulaski was supposed to be “unlikable” but in a gruff, McCoy dammit-i’m-a-doctor kind of way.
But the fact that that wasn’t possible to do (and wouldn’t have worked if it was) apparently didn’t stop them from trying.
The sophomore slump hits everybody.
I think they were trying to build a Pulaski-Data relationship that mirrored the McCoy-Spock relationship, where McCoy would say something shockingly racist like calling Spock a green-blooded hobgoblin, but then Spock would insult him right back and it was all in good fun so it was “okay.” The problem was that Data wasn’t able to give as good as he got, so it came across as Pulaski bullying the sweet autistic kid, which did not work as well as McCoy-Spock.
Agreed! And something that could have been worked out in the writer’s room before they committed. Eh. It’s fine. They backed off of that intended relationship after a very short amount of time and gave her another vibe.
Yeah she had character and was interesting. Crusher had hot redhead. I liked Crusher but would have preferred Pulaski stick around.
My child…
Noooooooooooooo~
She even had a decent character arc to become likeable.
Her whole arc was supposed to explore the idea of a kind-of rational and legitimate hatred, then see where it led.
spoiler
Time and again, her bigotry caused new injury to herself and to others. But then this was held in contrast to Ed Mercer’s persistent failed efforts to extend an olive branch to rival alien races who were unable to divest of their own bigotries.
That’s what made the latest season of Orville so fucking good.
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The whole season is about trying to build a coalition between the liberal Planetary Union and the fascist Chak’tal and ultra-conservative Moclan. But, in the end, their commitment to their own moral compass paves a way for an unexpected alliance with the Kaylon that yields far more fruit than any kind of strategic military compromise with the corrupt governments of the Chak’tal or Moclan.
It wasn’t just that she became likeable. Its that the guiding principles of the Planetary Union usher the crew towards a better galaxy, even when that path isn’t immediately clear from the outset.
While I like your analysis, the comment you’re responding to was referring to Pulaski’s arc, not Charlie’s.
Ah, damn. Well, nevermind then.
It was a great analysis though:)
It’s clearly Neelix.
Yeah, early Neelix is the reigning champ. He may be slightly less so if he had just kept his original outfit from ep 1 instead of his technicolor seizure suit.
They made Tuvix in an explicit attempt to show that comparatively Neelix isn’t such a monstrosity.
They only partially succeeded.God save Janeway the caffeinated for saving the day!
People hated Wesley more than they hated Pulaski.
I like Will Wheaton, but Weasley Crusher still sucks ass.
The funny thing is Whill Wheaton has famously bad luck with dice
Hmm, it’s been a while since something reminded me of alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
Usenet?
Yep. Blast from the past.
I always liked Wesley
It wasn’t the actor’s fault, he was given absolutely nothing to work with. Every time I’ve seen him in anything subsequently he’s been a likable character and a good actor.
I really don’t know why his character was on the show the writers clearly didn’t have anything for him to do.
On the flip side of that, I don’t like him as an audiobook narrator. Quite a few authors who grew up with TNG and write sci-fi now have him do narration, and he’s just kinda meh as a narrator.
all us kids did, i think
Clearly whoever made this hasn’t watched star trek discovery yet.
Tilly?
All of them
I like captain/emperor Georgiou
At least she called out her husband who cut bonuses
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Right?
I’ve said for years that we need one more episode of Celebrity Death match. Kai Winn vs Delores Umbridge.
Epic rap battles?
Nah, celebrity deathmatch was a claymation show on MTV. The one I remember the most was Lucy Liu vs Lisa Ling. No one knows who won
I was intending to suggest an alternative option
Ahh I see. I just want one of them dead by the end, lol. Epic Rap battles doesn’t have the same effect
I think Umbridge wins for me. Torturing kids feels worse than Kai Winn’s power grabbing machinations.
“Yes”
Her too.
I don’t recognize her. What show?
Keiko. Both TNG & DS9. Miles O’Brien’s wife.
Wait, people would seriously put her as ‘most annoying’ on TNG or DS9? Next to Wesley and Winn?!
Yes. Her back story is of a smart, driven scientist. Her DS9 portrayal is of a nagging wife. It’s one of the few character writing misses on the show.
Hmm, I don’t really remember that. OTOH, it HAS been a long time since I’ve watched DS9. I rewatched TNG more recently, so I have that Keiko in mind.
MASH.
True reason for O’brien must suffer. Ancient Lebanese curse.
3 Body Problem
Dukat has entered the chat
He’s hated. But in a way that makes you want to see more of him.
A perfect example of the magnificent bastard trope.
That’s true. We LOVE to hate him.
I truly love that the writers set Dukat up for a redemption arc, but that he chose to become worse instead.
I love Ducat!
