Winn always made my skin crawl!

  • macniel
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    3 hours ago

    Come on, Pulaski wasn’t that bad. She even had a decent character arc to become likeable. Winn though… yeah we hate her.

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      with every rewatch of TNG, i come to appreciate Pulaski more and more. her exchanges with Moriarty, in particular, make for an enjoyable watch.

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      She was one of the only characters to have true growth. I loved her. Plus, Diana Muldaur is awesome. Still with us at 86!

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      Are you saying Winn didn’t have character arc?

      She had the biggest arc in startrek and it was masterfully acted…

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          Yeah, but there was that little moment in between where you almost felt sorry for her, before the ultimate “nah, she is still piece of shit…”

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        I have nothing against her actress. She played wonderfully. I really loved to hate her character. This overzealous and overtly jealous priest.

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      The Elders tell me Pulaski was supposed to be “unlikable” but in a gruff, McCoy dammit-i’m-a-doctor kind of way.

      But the fact that that wasn’t possible to do (and wouldn’t have worked if it was) apparently didn’t stop them from trying.

      The sophomore slump hits everybody.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      She even had a decent character arc to become likeable.

      Her whole arc was supposed to explore the idea of a kind-of rational and legitimate hatred, then see where it led.

      spoiler

      Time and again, her bigotry caused new injury to herself and to others. But then this was held in contrast to Ed Mercer’s persistent failed efforts to extend an olive branch to rival alien races who were unable to divest of their own bigotries.

      That’s what made the latest season of Orville so fucking good.

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      The whole season is about trying to build a coalition between the liberal Planetary Union and the fascist Chak’tal and ultra-conservative Moclan. But, in the end, their commitment to their own moral compass paves a way for an unexpected alliance with the Kaylon that yields far more fruit than any kind of strategic military compromise with the corrupt governments of the Chak’tal or Moclan.

      It wasn’t just that she became likeable. Its that the guiding principles of the Planetary Union usher the crew towards a better galaxy, even when that path isn’t immediately clear from the outset.