Yup. I argued to a Russian troll before that the “similar culture” is not good reason to violate national sovereignty. Like, UK could not forcefully retake New York simply because New York once belonged to the UK and both speak English. The troll responded that if the people want to join another richer country, then just let that happen. Which is a farcical argument, even for a Russian soaked in Putin’s propaganda, that the US is ten times richer than the UK, and of course New York would wish to remain with the former, if economy is the arbitrator on where one should side with. It did not also occur to the troll that he/she should apply the same logic to Ukraine as to why they want to align with the EU/West. Because the West the way richer and even ordinary Russians know it.
Sorry Vlady, the West could afford a bigger wedding ring.
I have said this before, the issue of political and economic alignment among Ukrainians, and the separatist conflict on Eastern Ukraine is an internal one. And there is no evidence of persecution of Russia-speakers. Much of the separatist sentiment had been stoked, more than likely by Kremlin. And Zelensky is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian Jew; meanwhile the Ukrainian defense chief, Oleksandr Syrsky, is a Russian himself who have come to call Ukraine his home. Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to accuse Ukraine as Nazis or Russophobe.
With all that said, the supposed systemic persecution of Russian-speakers is made up, and the divide between Russian and Ukrainian-speakers on whether to align with the West or Russia is internal issue that does not justify invading another sovereign country. I always make the analogy that it is like the Republic of Ireland invading Northern Ireland, which the latter is legally part of UK, after making the justification to defend Catholics (and the Irish government did draw up a plan for an invasion but they did not go ahead because they know it’s illegal). Or Turkey invading the entirety of Cyprus after already occupying the northern part. Invading another country which everyone knows are flimsy pretexts is illegal.
Not to justify any bigotry, but the key point here is whether or not it’s systemic, which the UN reported on one of the links I presented. The UN report stated there are prejudices on individual basis, which they do not nor anyone should condone, but there is no Ukrainian state-sponsored discrimination on Russian-speakers.
You’re just really trying to shoe-horn obvious Kremlin propaganda.
Right, and there is no state sponsored discrimination of minorities in america. Go ahead and show me a law that explicitly states it.
We’re not in 1950s American and pretty sure there isn’t one. And since you insist there is one at present and brought it up, you should present it. The burden of proof is on you.
And how many black Americans are calling to secede? How many black Americans do not call themselves Americans and want to join another country? Are there many of them?
And for the argument sake that there are black Americans who took up arms to secede, by your logic do you believe Russia should intervene in the United States? Should France and UK have intervened on the side of the Confederacy? Should the Republic of Ireland have invaded Northern Ireland despite the Irish Catholics being discriminated? Should the entire Cyprus be invaded by the Turks after already invading the northern part?
Let me educate you on international law and geopolitics because it is illegal to invade another country unless there is sufficient evidence of wanton violation of basic human rights. That’s why the United Nation General Assembly voted that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal and hardly any-- even China-- is fully on-board with the Russian invasion. There is no evidence of limiting the rights of Russian-speakers and there are many of them fighting for Ukraine. Russia is obviously fomenting dissent in Ukraine. Consider that there are Russian-minorities in the NATO-memeber Baltic states; how come only in Georgia and Ukraine-- both are non-NATO members-- somehow have supposed Russian seccesionists? That should give you a hint; or otherwise you’re being a useful idiot.
Wanting to join a state power that is infamously non-democratic, faking and manipulating elections and foreign affairs, is inherently a dead give-away that you are a pawn, just like arguing for it.
Yup. I argued to a Russian troll before that the “similar culture” is not good reason to violate national sovereignty. Like, UK could not forcefully retake New York simply because New York once belonged to the UK and both speak English. The troll responded that if the people want to join another richer country, then just let that happen. Which is a farcical argument, even for a Russian soaked in Putin’s propaganda, that the US is ten times richer than the UK, and of course New York would wish to remain with the former, if economy is the arbitrator on where one should side with. It did not also occur to the troll that he/she should apply the same logic to Ukraine as to why they want to align with the EU/West. Because the West the way richer and even ordinary Russians know it.
Sorry Vlady, the West could afford a bigger wedding ring.
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Don’t spread misinformation.
I have said this before, the issue of political and economic alignment among Ukrainians, and the separatist conflict on Eastern Ukraine is an internal one. And there is no evidence of persecution of Russia-speakers. Much of the separatist sentiment had been stoked, more than likely by Kremlin. And Zelensky is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian Jew; meanwhile the Ukrainian defense chief, Oleksandr Syrsky, is a Russian himself who have come to call Ukraine his home. Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to accuse Ukraine as Nazis or Russophobe.
With all that said, the supposed systemic persecution of Russian-speakers is made up, and the divide between Russian and Ukrainian-speakers on whether to align with the West or Russia is internal issue that does not justify invading another sovereign country. I always make the analogy that it is like the Republic of Ireland invading Northern Ireland, which the latter is legally part of UK, after making the justification to defend Catholics (and the Irish government did draw up a plan for an invasion but they did not go ahead because they know it’s illegal). Or Turkey invading the entirety of Cyprus after already occupying the northern part. Invading another country which everyone knows are flimsy pretexts is illegal.
And america has no racism because we had a black president. Your logic sounds pretty but falls apart once you start trying replacement variables.
Not to justify any bigotry, but the key point here is whether or not it’s systemic, which the UN reported on one of the links I presented. The UN report stated there are prejudices on individual basis, which they do not nor anyone should condone, but there is no Ukrainian state-sponsored discrimination on Russian-speakers.
You’re just really trying to shoe-horn obvious Kremlin propaganda.
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We’re not in 1950s American and pretty sure there isn’t one. And since you insist there is one at present and brought it up, you should present it. The burden of proof is on you.
I’m making the point the racism exists without it being explicitly written out. Theres even minorities who uphold laws that cause racist outcomes.
Does that mean a black police officer can’t be racist?
And how many black Americans are calling to secede? How many black Americans do not call themselves Americans and want to join another country? Are there many of them?
And for the argument sake that there are black Americans who took up arms to secede, by your logic do you believe Russia should intervene in the United States? Should France and UK have intervened on the side of the Confederacy? Should the Republic of Ireland have invaded Northern Ireland despite the Irish Catholics being discriminated? Should the entire Cyprus be invaded by the Turks after already invading the northern part?
Let me educate you on international law and geopolitics because it is illegal to invade another country unless there is sufficient evidence of wanton violation of basic human rights. That’s why the United Nation General Assembly voted that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal and hardly any-- even China-- is fully on-board with the Russian invasion. There is no evidence of limiting the rights of Russian-speakers and there are many of them fighting for Ukraine. Russia is obviously fomenting dissent in Ukraine. Consider that there are Russian-minorities in the NATO-memeber Baltic states; how come only in Georgia and Ukraine-- both are non-NATO members-- somehow have supposed Russian seccesionists? That should give you a hint; or otherwise you’re being a useful idiot.
Wanting to join a state power that is infamously non-democratic, faking and manipulating elections and foreign affairs, is inherently a dead give-away that you are a pawn, just like arguing for it.
I vaguely recall a certain whisky-producing region having some sort of referendum at one point. Must have dreamt it, sorry.
The South is not allowed to secede.
Nor is Scotland, if that’s what you’re referring to.
Scotland was given the choice to secede, they chose not to
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