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    Biden looked terrible, and he sounded terrible. Trump lied about 99% of the time. Biden told us what he did for ALL Americans and there is more to come. Trump admitted he cut taxes for the wealthy and destroyed environmental regulations. As a voter, you are voting for the candidate and their administration. The choice in 2024 is, A. Things get better for our Democracy, or B. We install a dictator and voting ends forever. They are not both the same, and NOT voting, or 3rd party voting, helps the weaker candidate win.

    I’m voting for the candidate that has been making life for ALL citizens better, that’s the job of the President.

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      This run down fits with what I saw but biden was better by the end if not great. Trump did a good job though of looking better in a beauty pageant aint nobody want to be a contestant in.

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      Things won’t get better under Biden though. Strongest argument neoliberals might be able to make is that fascism will arrive slightly slower under their guy.

      But seeing how Biden is fumbling it’s very likely he’s going to lose this. He needs to step down. If it’s about the party or the administration then he needs to realize that. If he stays in he is responsible for a Trump win.

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        Things have gotten better under his first term so I don’t see why it would not. At least for things the president could effect. As far as facism it has not improved in terms of rectifying citizens united but not getting better is a whole lot better than getting way worse.

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          And look at what? The genocide he’s funding? The illegal border policy he tried to pass that was identical to the one Trump tried to pass under his term? Or am I suppose to be looking at the past 40 years where neoliberals like Biden have failed to to confront the slow encroachment of fascism and instead chose to spend all their energy and resources undermining progressives in their own party? Or how voting the “lesser of two evils” for all that time has produced zero results?

          You’re acting exasperated as if neoliberal democrats aren’t complicit in where we are right now. I think it’s you who needs to open your eyes and understand that neolibs aren’t helping or even buying us more time. The loss of our rights has continued full speed under the Biden admin, and he’s risking it all to satisfy his own ego and fanatical zionism.

          No. Biden is responsible for his unelectability and when he refuses to step aside he will be responsible for his loss.

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            Biden or Trump, which one are you voting for? Oh, that’s right, Russians can’t vote in US elections!

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        Oh look, the same clown in the same circus. Just come out and say you want Trump to win. All this blabbing you do on every single Biden thread trying to come across as “for the good of the party”. Totally disingenuous.

        People like you will be responsible for Trump.

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        Biden (and his ego) is responsible for the inevitable loss in November, but they will surely blame leftists for not voting hard enough. It’s utterly deranged they expect a candidate such as this to pass muster, but here we are. Biden admin couldn’t even pass voting rights act, after Jan 6 and attempted coups with fake electors plot happened. The incompetency at governing is truly astounding, and this is why I’ll also blame Biden for the slide into fascism.

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        Exactly. They won’t get better either way. But at least they won’t get even worse. Wouldn’t you want that ?

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            Biden’s throat was sore on debate night from gobbling Bibi’s knob, he’s easily one of the most Zionist presidents in American history. Biden wouldn’t even address Trump’s derogatory comments towards Palestinians during the debate. And most importantly - Biden is presently enabling the genocide. “Trump would be worse” is such a weak argument, even if true - where’s the accountability for the current administration?

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            Biden at least tries to save some face, as evident from the recent cease fire push. Trump doesn’t give two shits about optics and would instantly give Israel whatever they want and publicly back then up. It won’t get much worse, because it’s already so bad it’s hard to get much worse, but it will get worse under Trump.

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            Electing trump will surely show us just how awful life here can be. Watch documentaries about the DPRK and you will see what dear leader wants to become. Freedom will be a memory.

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            Never ask that question. It’s a flag.

            Israel could always round up Palestinians into camps for thier safety preventing them from Leaving. Then provide them jobs… and then kill whomever in gas chambers.

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            we could stop trying to aid palestinians. we could give israel more than a token amount of military aid. If you don’t think what we do is token compare ukraine to israel. its about 10x (when ukraine stuff is not blocked by a certain party). direct us troops could be involved even if its just killing iranian generals with missiles.

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            Are you seriously so stupid you can’t imagine ways it gets worse? A) The humanitarian aid we give Palestinians would stop. That is worse. B) The military aid we give Israel could get much higher. C) The tacit approval we give to Netanyahu to commit war crimes could become overt approval, giving him freedom to commit worse atrocities. D) The US could put troops on the ground, which might almost be better since our troops are both better trained AND not so intent on committing genocide compared to the IDF, but in the end is probably worse since Trump would just order eradication of everything.

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        You’d think, based on your username, you would be against what Trump stands for, seeing as he’s clearly worse for Gaza too.

        I can no longer tell if you’re a provocateur or an idiot, frankly.

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          For them if doesn’t matter who wins, because if Israel is not stopped there won’t be anyone left in Gaza by 2025.

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          Biden is working hard to help genocide the Palestinians. He could end this whenever he wants by not giving them more weapons. He said there was a red line! All lies.

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            Now let me see your criticism of all the Republicans in Congress who fully support the situation in Gaza. Surprising all I hear are “GeNoCiDe JoE” comments from people like you.

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              I’m voting downticket for Democrats dawg. Republicans are enemies of humanity and should be rounded up into work camps.

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            How does Biden take away the guns they already have?

            Furthermore, have you even thought about how not giving them more firepower will play out? Because, guess what, it still won’t stop what Israel is doing.

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              Then send in the UN and forcefully remove their nukes if they’re going to be gonicidal with them. So sick of this argument being trotted out to defend what Israel is doing. Might does not make right.

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                You are fucking insane if you believe forcefully removing nukes is a good idea.

                Imagine saying “might does not make right” after such a belligerent statement, you should think about your words more carefully.

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              The bombs would run out if Biden stopped giving them more - Israel itself has admitted they need the US to do the genocide.