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Before the 1960s, it was really hard to get divorced in America.
Typically, the only way to do it was to convince a judge that your spouse had committed some form of wrongdoing, like adultery, abandonment, or “cruelty” (that is, abuse). This could be difficult: “Even if you could prove you had been hit, that didn’t necessarily mean it rose to the level of cruelty that justified a divorce,” said Marcia Zug, a family law professor at the University of South Carolina.
Then came a revolution: In 1969, then-Gov. Ronald Reagan of California (who was himself divorced) signed the nation’s first no-fault divorce law, allowing people to end their marriages without proving they’d been wronged. The move was a recognition that “people were going to get out of marriages,” Zug said, and gave them a way to do that without resorting to subterfuge. Similar laws soon swept the country, and rates of domestic violence and spousal murder began to drop as people — especially women — gained more freedom to leave dangerous situations.
Today, however, a counter-revolution is brewing: Conservative commentators and lawmakers are calling for an end to no-fault divorce, arguing that it has harmed men and even destroyed the fabric of society. Oklahoma state Sen. Dusty Deevers, for example, introduced a bill in January to ban his state’s version of no-fault divorce. The Texas Republican Party added a call to end the practice to its 2022 platform (the plank is preserved in the 2024 version). Federal lawmakers like Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) and House Speaker Mike Johnson, as well as former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, have spoken out in favor of tightening divorce laws.
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Easy fix, people will stop getting married. Give the younger generation another reason to not have kids.
If the only families pumping out kids are Christian crackpots, that’s a win for them. They want to out-breed you.
The crazy Christian families usually produce non christian kids.
usually
Please cite your source for that. The religious nutters who are adults now were once kids of religious families themselves.
Christianity in the U.S. is quickly shrinking and may no longer be the majority religion within just a few decades, research finds
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christianity-us-shrinking-pew-research/
Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/22/us-churches-closing-religion-covid-christianity
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace
Pick a study we are in a decline for a reason. The craziest ones are the most motivated but they are the few.
Longevity of supreme court rulings aren’t shrinking.
Small group grabbed a huge piece. They didn’t do that quietly. People stopped caring, became more self centered, and we lost sight of communities. We allowed this shit and we need to start voting like it.
The xtian activists definitely are aware of this overall trend (even if many of them will outright lie about it and many of the flock probably still think they are some kind of supermajority even if they have been losing adherents at about 1% every year for year after year) and it’s exactly why they are agitating to fundamentally change this country to a xtian one.
They want to be able to COMPEL people to join/stay in their little book club. The only difference between xtian radicals and Islamists is where the retconning leaves off is different. Both of them worship the same god of “the” bible - Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah and both of them have the same dim view of unbelievers and women and outsiders, etc…
This is … ludicrous:
I’ve read that in the Jewish culture/religion that Yehoshua “Jesus” benJoseph, the woke socialist convict, grew up in, there was legal-divorce,
& there was a kind of rule, too:
“you aren’t allowed to marry someone, if you aren’t mature-enough to divorce them honestly/fairly/sanely” in that culture…
I’m not remembering the exact phrasing of it, obviously, but that was the essence of it.
IF you were too immature to divorce responsibly, THEN you were too immature to marry, in the 1st place.
For … to use a phrase from the Christian bible, just updating it to modern terminology … “those who call themselves Christian … but are not” to be warring against wokeness … in the name of the wokest guy in the entire New Testament, … & to be warring against socialism … in the name of the guy who literally is famous for feeding thousands of hungry people who wanted learning/understanding & food, for no money/commercial-exchange, & who also gave free healthcare to any who’d spiritually-earned it … you can see that their bible’s phrase “those who call themselves _ _ _ _ _ _ _ … but are not” is applicable to those who fake ANY religion’s membership, of any culture, anywhere!
How completely shameless can people be??
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When Ronald fucking Reagan is too liberal for your party, I think it’s time for self-examination.
Republicans today are not the same as Republicans back then. Reagan did more for illegal immigrants than any president since. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat if it was him versus the two bad jokes currently campaigning.
He also ignored the AIDS epidemic on purpose, leaving thousands to die simply because he didn’t like gay people.
Not a good thing but thousands of gays vs millions of illegals
Ten thousand premeditated murders via deliberate inaction is not balanced out by a million visas granted. The severity of the crime gives it more weight. A life extinguished does not equal a life improved somewhat.
“It harms men.”
So does rat poison. You walk back no fault divorce get ready for a return of mysterious deaths of shitty men.
Boy I wish our government wasn’t so good at bringing their nightmare fuel fever dreams to fruition, while constantly failing to do anything to better anyone in the way almost every voter agrees with.
Good way to keep those marriage rates low. Can’t get divorced if one doesn’t bother getting married in the first place.
Likely they will counteract by making even more things illegal, e.g. premartial sex.
Ah, but then there’s common-law marriages that they will institute.
Then don’t ever get rid of your own place, so you can prove you’ve only been dating, not living together.
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This should require anyone working on these laws that is divorced to be retroactively married to their ex-spouse automatically.
No, because they had a valid reason to get divorced, unlike everyone else.
Just like their abortion.
I know more than one woman who fled one of these convenant marriage states. One still can’t get the divorce officialized because her toxic abusive husband keeps insisting on an endless parade of marriage counseling, via answers to the divorce court.
I don’t know if forcing her back into the marriage because that same abusive husband started working for a legislative lobbying outfit would be productive.
The solution seems simple. Don’t marry and don’t have kids. Eventually America dies off and the rest of the world closes the book on the experiment that failed.
No. The batshit crazys are having lots and lots of kids. They want sane people to leave, to die off.
At this point, I’m happy to end my bloodline. People are insufferable enough already, i don’t want my kids growing up with the product of even more ridiculous nutjobs
You could think about emigrating. We’d love to brain drain the US… more.
I hope them publicly advocating for this backfires spectacularly.
“First they game for gay marriage, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t gay. Then they came for the abortions, and I didn’t speak up because I didn’t need an abortion. Then they came for divorce, and…fuck, that might be a real a pain in the ass. Maybe I won’t vote for these asshats.”
— some people, hopefully…
“First the came for abortions, and we made a lot of noise but got ignored. Then they came for Divorce and… fuck, maybe we should do more than just make noise.”
Torches! Torches and Pitchforks! Get your Pitchforks at the Pitchfork Emporium!
For every two Pitchforks sold you get a free torch! And not those silly tikki-torches either!
This is what you really NEED to know about abolishing no fault divorce:
And that will cause huge problems, especially for anyone experiencing abuse. “Any barrier to divorce is a really big challenge for survivors,” said Marium Durrani, vice president of policy at the National Domestic Violence Hotline. “What it really ends up doing is prolonging their forced entanglement with an abusive partner.”
If they abolish no fault divorce it WILL cost lives
That is the bottom fucking line. There is no argument against divorce that exists that can prevent that. Wait no there is, oh golly they will make exceptions for abuse. That sure fucking sounds familiar. Hmm like maybe it was the concession ‘pro-life’ would make for abortion.
And look how that turned out.
Before roe v wade was overturned they were all about protecting the abused, somewhat, with caveats. Kinda like they are talking about divorce here innit?
Republicans only seem to be pro life until the child is born.
Democrats need to stop using these terms. Republicans are pro human-capital. They want numerous, dumb, poor workers to control and they want to own women.
“Pro human capital” is a good term, thank you for introducing me to it. I’d say numerous, dumb, poor workers who are desperate to serve for scraps because of austerity.
Interestingly, I’d assume that between home surveillance systems and cell phones, proving domestic violence shouldn’t be too tough nowadays.
Just like how “there will be exceptions for unviable pregnancies” no amount of direct video evidence of abuse will be enough to justify for the courts to justify a divorce. If they had people’s well being and best interests in mind this wouldn’t even be proposed.
That would be utterly shameful of the justice system.
Are you new here?
I am.
I’ll be advising all of my daughters to never marry if that is the case.
Advise sons too. If marriage is going to be weaponised then it should be denormalised.
Murica - the land of free or something.
Free to be killed, enslaved and then raped
With speed things progress over there, Saudi Arabia will soon become a better place for women.
They can’t prohibit it for other faiths though. Jews, Muslims, and so on can still divorce… right?
Marriage in the eyes of a state is a legal contract. I don’t think faith is a barrier or consideration in this context.
So they are forcing their own interpretation of Christianity on everyone? I guess that the US doesn’t have separate courts for other religions… So no one’s allowed divorce even if allowed in their religion? this can’t be legal.
To think that the caliphate at least allowed Jews and Christians to have their own religious courts.
