I don’t know why anyone is surprised. All of the court watchers who aren’t MAGA told us SCOTUS would sit on this as long as they possibly could. Which, assuming they’re still coloring inside the rules, means the last ruling of the season. And they’ll drag out all the other cases too so it doesn’t look weird. In fact on Strict Scrutiny they’ve been warning that the court is dropping a bunch of no contest decisions because they’re expecting one big drop with shitty partisan decisions that have no logic beyond the personal politics of the majority.
That the charges weren’t made until late last year is also a failure, the whole process has been unreasonable long.
That was part of the game though. If any part of that process was sped up for him the Republicans would have ammo in their accusations about the trial. And rich people have long made sure the justice system goes slowly.
Part of “the game” is to make sure that the trial would start far too late for it to end before the elections… To make sure that Trump can get elected before the ruling is over… And then give himself immunity?
Yes, but it’s important to remember that there are multiple players in this game. The Democrats and the prosecutors want the trial done before then but they can’t be seen to be speeding it up or even to be impatient. This gives the defense and the Republicans plenty of opening to show the trial down.
This was entirely predictable. There was no reason for the Democrats to wait so long to start the process. They wanted to make sure Trump could run for the Republicans so they can keep fearmongering everyone into voting for Biden.
They did start the process very early though. The problem is there’s a whole thing before bringing charges that they had to go through. They aren’t skipping any step because that could be grounds for an appeal. Even before officially opening an investigation they had to make sure they had the grounds to do that. So there was an investigation before the investigation, likely trying to get something less ephemeral than speech=riot; like direct ties to fake electors. Then they can start the official investigation where they get people on the record in meetings with the FBI. Finally when that’s gone far enough they can get a grand jury to look at everything. Then finally they can charge Trump and start preparing for a trial.
In both of the investigative phases anyone partial to Trump can slow them down by rescheduling repeatedly and lying to investigators. (Which has already resulted in charges for some of them because it’s much easier to prove.) Then the grand jury doesn’t usually meet every day, in fact they may only meet once a week.
Taking two years to figure out there was a connection, and another year to gather enough evidence for a grand jury isn’t unusual. Especially in cases involving rich and influential people.
Look at the lib escalate into a spiraling web of complexity in order to justify failure. No, the timeline here was unreasonable and will allow trump to win again. The Dems have served up a silver platter to the wealthy.
MAGA SCOTUS justices in this case, MAGA judge in the classified docs case, MAGA prosecutor in the Georgia case … good thing we hit him with four cases at the same time.
Fucking seriously. How stupid are we that people would see exactly what you laid out and just say “hmmm, oh well the justice system is just slow or something.” Except its only with his cases that are in front of Republican appointed “judges.”
As an organization, they are actively and intentionally interfering with electoral politics. Their lifetime appointments were designed to remove them from that dynamic, but they have decided to bypass that principle. The structure of our federal government is designed to deal with problems like this by having the other branches check them when they step out of line like this. Unfortunately, neither of the other branches have shown any desire to take action. As a result we are currently caught in a self-reinforcing death spiral of anti-democratic corruption that will eventually undo the union unless something changes. What a time to be alive.
While I agree with the sentiment, this isn’t correct. They aren’t actively interfering. They are refusing to interfer when it’s thier job. And the structure was designed to remove them from undue influence of the other branches… not from politics in general, or from outside influence. Fact is, noone is truely impartial, and outside influences are pretty much impossible to remove. So the whole idea of a court that is above that is just ludicrous.
I think we are supposed to be that something that changes it.
Peaceful protesting only works for so long.
Have you tried voting for the party that wants to remove corruption and expand the packed court?
Not with First Past The Post voting still a huge factor in how things play out. I do vote local, however.
But violence solves lots of problems.
???
FPTP reduces your options to 2 (sometimes 3) and one of the options literally holds the stances you express worry about.
FPTP prevents 3rd party candidates from being viable. Until we get an Alternative Vote, there’s little that can be done to get third parties successfully winning elections.
and? Just vote for the candidate who best represents you. Bonus points if they want election reform.
Batter up, tough guy.
Not sure if you’re a conservative or just lazy.
Neither, just think keyboard warriors calling for violence is lame and also, they’re full of shit.
That’s where the second amendment actually does come in for once
If you don’t have enough people to win the war by picking up pens and voting, you definitely don’t have enough to win by picking up guns and shooting.
Do you want a civil war?
No. You’re going to have to walk me through the thought process that led you to ask that. My whole point is if you can’t win through voting, don’t try to start a war because you aren’t going to win that either.
Sorry that was half a thought. The country is divided 50/50, both sides see themselves as good and the other evil. Anyone starts shooting and you got a civil war.
It’s the literal reason for the 2nd amendment, there is no arguing that fact.
Lula’s Brazil had Bolsonaro handled within six months. Banned him from running until 2030 over his January 8th coup attempt in 2023.
The failure to respond in 2021 doomed us all.
These trials could have started far sooner. But they were intentionally delayed by Democrats.
The Democrats purposely did not prosecute Trump in time because they do not want anyone else than Trump to be running.
Imagine if they couldn’t “But Trump” right now.
You give the Dems too much credit. It’s easier to believe they’re weak and ineffectual.
Huh no of course not. They literally propped up Trump in 2016
So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.
“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.
“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to: • Ted Cruz • Donald Trump • Ben Carson We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."
By design. The duopoly of American politics is firmly controlled by the rich, they stir up drama to get the public’s approval for their side hustles.
The Dems did fuck up, just not exactly as you describe. The Dems elected a neoliberal who appointed a conservative Attorney General. He did exactly what you’d expect a conservative AG to do and paved the way for Trump to return to power.
This is most probably what’s really happening. The same way Democrats try to get right wing extremists in Republican primaries to win because they see them as easier to win against.
The system doesn’t want to save it’s self, we are on a clear path towards fascism.
How can we word this so tRump gets his way but also so Biden doesn’t get immunity and when will I get another luxury vacation or motorhome?
Clarence Thomas probably.
Uncle Tom
Please USA, don’t go full Nazi. That would be quite inconvenient for your neighbors, and the world probably.
You have been permanently banned from c/Conservative.
Subpoena them one by one and confront them about specific issues. For instance Thomas and all those billionaire friends who keep dropping money in his lap. Congress committees have the power to do this.
Let sunlight into the dirty little acts of corruption and impeach. Hit them instead of just complaining all the damn time. Also, six or seven year term limits. Then every single president will get a chance to appoint a couple and the bench makeup will be more balanced.
If Gym Jordan doesn’t have to comply with a congressional subpoena, what makes you think Clarence Thomas will?
I’m not sure of the person you refer to (sorry, not American) but surely that’s the problem. Not applying the law equally. Can a common murderer or thief decide that a legal direction doesn’t apply to them?
Jim Jordan (Gym is a nickname from years ago when he allowed students to get molested by a school doctor) is a representative from the state of Ohio who was involved with the January 6th plot to overthrow the government.
When they investigated it, they subpoenaed him and he refused to show up. So far it’s been 3 years and no action has been taken whatsoever.
He helped plot a coup, he’s STILL in power, and he ignored a subpoena from Congress with no consequences whatsoever.
He ranks considerably lower than the Supreme Court does in the grand scheme of things and if they’re not going to force him to comply, they won’t force any of the federal justices to comply.Thank you for your detailed explanation.
The problem appears to be a lack of enforcement of already established law. Well, if you were permitted to ignore the law why the hell wouldn’t you? That is my entire thesis. Stop allowing “important” public figures flout the law.
The real issue is it’s too easy for Republicans to paint it as weaponizing of official powers against political rivals who are absolutely innocent. The fear from Democrats is that holding him accountable would damage their public image badly enough to lose them seats in the House/Senate, thus giving the Republicans more power. Imagine a Trump Presidency with both the House and Congress controlled by MAGA Republicans.
If you want to know how Republican voters could see it that way, just watch Faux News for a few days. I work for an ISP that delivers TV services, and it’s scary how many old people have Fox turned on 24/7.
Project 2024 scares the shit out of me. I’ve applied for passports for me and my two daughters, if Trump wins the next election I’m getting the fuck off this carnival ride.
Wow, I wonder what it could be? It couldn’t possibly be that fucking everything anyone who’s been paying attention to the judicial system has been saying in the last 8 years for the past 8 years is all true, could it…?
For real though I’m getting real fuckin sick of being proven right on this whole realm of issues.
it is in USA DNA: drama! trump is like a stupider britney…just without the skills or skin…and it will all cumulate to sth. bizarre. may convict trump will shave his head or drive down square garden DWI…we dont know yet but it will be bizarre.
