Is it because alcohol, tobacco, and firearms also have legal pathways? So they spend time tracking down cheats and checking/enforcing regulations?

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    ATF = cracking down on legal funtime stuffs

    DEA = cracking down on illegal funtime stuffs

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      Never understood the ATF hate until I became a gun enthusiast. Heysus! Even us libs hate 'em!

      I bought a perfectly legal .22 rifle, pretty much this (without whatever suppressor thing is shown). It’s like the baby brother version of an AR-15. Jams a lot, but it’s fun!

      Note the stupid looking flexible stock. That was a way to get a “short barreled rifle” because a normal, rigid stock would be illegal. “Uh, it’s not a stock. It’s a handicap thing for one-armed shooters.” Yes, it can work that way and yes, it’s a loophole.

      Now I’m a felon for owning such a thing even though it was legal when I bought it. ATF: “We changed our mind. And no your gun isn’t grandfathered. Because fuck you, that’s why.”

      Shit like this is why shooters rail against any gun legislation. One dumb thing after another like this sucks political capital that could be spent on better, more effective gun laws.

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        So many gun laws are just fucking stupid. Tons of stuff is banned because it looks scary.

        SBRs being illegal is pretty dumb.

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          Brother, I can talk dumb and ineffective gun laws all night long without repeating myself.

          Problem is that people, of any political persuasion, don’t get the notion of political capital. I rant about it a lot. :)

          No matter how right you think you are, no matter how scientifically valid your reasoning, no matter how sensible, no matter what, making laws costs goodwill. Decisions cost votes. And votes determine one’s ability to stay in office and effect the sorts of changes one, and hopefully, their constituents want.

          Knowing that and factoring it in is what politicians need to be doing. FFS, this is high school Government 101.

          Guns for example:

          “We want a ‘high capacity’ mag ban!”

          Well, none of that works like you think. High cap mags jam, the military won’t even use 'em, only mass shooter idiots, and I’d rather their shit jam. Besides, swapping a mag is trivial for a shooter, 4-seconds if he sucks. Can we talk about it?

          “Children! Safety! WANT!”

          OK, it’s gotta cost voters, and cost you a chance to make real changes.

          “WANT!”

          tl;dr If the Democrats had brains enough to read the room, they’d drop the non-stop gun ban shit, take the issue back from the assholes, gain all those single-issue voters and sweep the polls everywhere.

          “WANT!!!”

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            So I have no idea about guns but would you say there is no legislative way to end the fact that the USA is the only first world country with a mass shooting like every other day?

            Again I am not arguing for or against any one particular measure or ban.
            I don’t know anything about high cap mags or whatever.
            But I do know that other countries seem to show a correlation between stricter gun laws and less fatalities by gun.

            Or is it your 2nd amendment that stands in the way of effective legislative measures?

            It just seems like a problem that should be so easy to solve and as a European it just seems strange that you guys seem to be completely unable to even make improvements.