Crosspost: https://feddit.de/post/8502102

Element for Android doesn’t support searching in encrypted channels and I think you can’t use E2EE in the browser at all(?), plus basically every other client has even more drawbacks when it comes to E2EE.

My team recently tried RocketChat, but E2EE is obviously an afterthought for that project as it has even more limitations than non-Element Matrix clients (no searching, no pinning, no file upload, no edit, etc.). Plus Jitsi integration seems to be buggy right now (at least on my Windows installation).

What else is out there that’s not on my radar? Is Matrix with Element really the best option right now? Is there no project that puts E2EE above all else?

Edit: Should be self-hostable and (FL)OSS.

    • Lemmchen@feddit.deOPEnglish
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      9 months ago

      Not really what I am looking for. Neither is it self-hostable, nor do you have access to independent clients. Plus the requirement for phone numbers makes it undesirable.
      Also, I’m not really looking for a simple messenger and more for something that is useful in organizing a team.

      • Pantherina@feddit.de
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        9 months ago

        Molly or Signal-FOSS on Android, flare on Linux.

        Flare is incomplete and the others are softforks though. Molly not so much, they support multiple phones / tablet. The Desktop client is bad.

      • Pantherina@feddit.de
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        9 months ago

        Molly or Signal-FOSS on Android, flare on Linux.

        Flare is incomplete and the others are softforks though.

        Signal sucks.

      • solrize@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Are you saying you want encrypted text chat? Or do you want voice or video too?

        I wouldn’t obsess too much about e2ee once there are that many client os’s and apps involved, if the server is self hosted. There will be plenty of other points of vulnerability regardless, including careless humans at the endpoints. It’s not really possible to achieve security by just choosing the right software. Real opsec is much more complicated.

        • Lemmchen@feddit.deOPEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Voice is a requirement as well.
          EDIT: But I could get by by hosting Jitsi for that.

      • LWD@lemm.ee
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        9 months ago

        What do you mean by “independent clients” - multi device login?

        There’s Wire, but it still resembles Signal more than Slack. But apparently they’ve put some work into making it self-hostable.

        https://docs.wire.com/versions/install-with-poetry/index.html

        Matrix is still probably the closest thing to Slack, Discord etc that actually has functioning E2EE, but also includes cloud synchronization when people can remember their keys.

        • Lemmchen@feddit.deOPEnglish
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          9 months ago

          What do you mean by “independent clients” - multi device login?

          Yeah. Right now you have to have Signal running and connected on a phone. If the phone is off or not connected to the internet, you can’t use the Desktop client.

          • Pantherina@feddit.de
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            9 months ago

            Signal Desktop is restricted but you can install Signal in an emulator, somehow scan that QR code and deactivate the app from the emulator