apparently r/anarchism has been in lockdown for quite some time now and they link to their own reddit alternative called raddle.me, which is not fediverse integrated, sadly. they also have a long list of alternatives, but lemmy isn’t one of them
That seems to be the case because lemmy’s main dev is a ml. (edit: meaning 'marxist leninist, apologies for not being clear on that)
It’s somewhat sad for me because the whole philosophy of the fediverse is anarchistic in its core, it is how it should be, it is how the internet should work. So I wondered - what are the biggest anarchistic communities in the fediverse so far?
Given the horrendous history of /r/Anarchism’s moderation and the fact that Raddle is a direct continuation of that garbage, I’d say it’s both no surprise and no loss. Let them go honeypot and jackboot themselves into oblivion. The unfortunate thing, of course, is that they’ve controlled a forum with a very obvious name for half a decade, and can shepherd a lot of unknowing users into their cesspit with them. But there’s probably not a lot that can be done about that.
can you give me some context of that history? I’d like to read more about it
In IDK like the 2015-2017 timeframe some really edgy people started taking over in /r/metanarchism (the private sub where moderation decisions are made for /r/Anarchism). They formed a clique—a cult, really—and managed to force out anyone else who weren’t part of it, totally ignoring even the rules they’d setup themselves for how people were to be banned. Their notion was basically that you had to subscribe to and promote the most violent possible solutions to every situation, and if you didn’t jump on board enthusiastically, you weren’t a “real anarchist”. It was basically the most dark aesthetics of anarchism without any of the actual philosophy.
There were whole drama wars about it, where the people they banned congregated in /r/LeftWithoutEdge, /r/AnarchismOnline, and other subs, and in response the edge cult setup /r/LeftWithSharpEdge, trolled those subs their victims fled to, and harassed people with things like bloody cannibalism fantasies about their victims. Those are the folks still moderating in /r/Anarchism, and they have at least a couple moderators in subs like /r/LateStageCapitalism as well.
One of the most prolific and obsessed trolls is the guy who setup Raddit. He was caught having whole conversation trees with himself in order to fake participation on the site and set its tone. A number of times he declared he was “stepping back” from moderating it and would just run the server…and then didn’t.
thanks for the insight!
What’s wrong with .ml?
Im taking a guess here. Maybe machine learning? Like AI?
I never thought to even question it until this post.
ML in this context means Marxist/Leninist. The mali domain might also be a reference to that.
afaik the main reason for th domain is that Mali domains (.ml) have been free to get for some time. it neatly coincides with their marxist-leninist ideology so I guess that’s why they went for that domain
It’s ridiculous how many people completely dismiss something/someone just because of one thing. True, the main Lemmy devs seem to have some very questionable views on some topics. But they also quite obviously care a lot about privacy, free and open platforms, decentralization of power, I’ve not found any evidence of them censoring or even shittalking any opposing views, and their goal is to have a world where everyone is well taken care of and there’s no corporate greed ruining communities.
It’s just irrational blind hate because of political disagreement. Politics is the mind-killer.
I think it is worth pointing out that this entire rivaly (if you can call it that) between lemmy and raddle is wayyy older than the reddit migration. Back them these spaces consisted mostly of leftists and their differences seem much more insignificant now that so many “normies” join the plattform. And I guess this whole federation thing seemed a lot less compelling when there were only of handful active communities about a pretty limited set of topics
MLs call it an infantile disorder for a reason…
No offense.
That reason being projection…?
Ah yes, MLs, well known for being young and not reading theory lol
Exactly. I’m glad we agree on the nature of the situation.
oww this interaction has like 4 different kinds of sarcasm stacked on top of each other 😬
What’s “a ml" in this context?
Is the dev really teeny and takes up only a cubic centimetre when liquified?
Marxist-Leninist.
Kinda funny they reject Lemmy for that but didn’t reject reddit for being a capitalist but okay. There are instances ran by anarchists too.
I just got your joke. wooosh
There are instances ran by anarchists too.
cool! which ones?
Slrpnk.net feel free to join us, but we are a strictly tankie free zone (lemmygrad and Hexbear are Blocked).
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/ is another one.
awesome! thanks a lot. I think slrpnk hits the right notes for me :]
wouldn’t the best take to be to just use the tankie’s labor for the betterment of all mankind? Fuck who makes the shit if it’s FOSS.
Personally I think the decentralized solution is some sort of fake-central website that many people can host part of, no one having full control of any one community. kind of like bittorrent in that you have the one torrent file, but the source of the content is pulled from many locations. You could definitely have redunancy in case one server goes down at any time, but not as much as BT where every seeder needs the whole source. spread it all out. take 100 servers connected to the project, split the content into sections, and then layer the redundancy all over so no two servers have the same cache but also that nothing is only on a single server.
I wish I was smart enough to code or even explain this idea better. :( at the very least I hope I inspire someone.
Hm. I don’t know. If a serial kitten torturer amd killer made Foss software, I’d stay the fuck away.
I don’t quite agree. Likewise there would be no point in torning down the infrastructure developed by fascists/colonizers - it would make a lot more sense to repurpose it for the general good.
sounds interesting, but I can’t quite follow haha I think the way the fediverse works now is a good balance between individual freedom and feasibility in terms of moderation/hosting
ML?
Marxist Leninist, but I think the correct term would be tankie.
makes sense. I’m obviously not a fan of tankies, but is there a more neutral term for them? I used “ml”, but I assume not all marxist-leninists are also tankies
ohhhhhhhhhhhh i wondered why there were a lot of .ml domains for lemmy
afaik Mali domains have been free to get for some time, but the letters make it very convenient for a marxist-leninist server
In its* core.
thanks, corrected :)
They’re redditors who choose to stay on the platform. Their opinion is invalid.
Anarchism until it’s inconvenient
to be fair we all are like that to some extend. switching to lemmy is more convenient to us than to many others as we are more tech-savy. Similarly, anarchists who have a garden and the necessary know-how to cultivate their own plants might judge others for buying veggies from the supermarket. They’d have a point but it wouldn’t be entirely fair
