Banned from c/vegan for this one. My bad.

Captions: Anakin Padme 4-panel:

  • “I’m going to make everyone go vegan and eat soybeans.”
  • “So we won’t destroy any more ecosystems, right?”
  • …
  • “We won’t destroy any more ecosystems, right?”
  • nachtigall@feddit.de
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    3 years ago

    Banned from c/vegan for this one. My bad.

    Yeah, because it is utter nonsense. Depending on the source 60-90% of the soy is being fed to animals.

    Edit: If that is the point of the post…

    • southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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      3 years ago

      Making the point specifically about soybeans was stupid, but i think it’s important to criticize the “eco-friendly”/“vegan” capitalist industry. I’m happy to elaborate if you will.

      • nachtigall@feddit.de
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        3 years ago

        think it’s important to criticize the “eco-friendly”/“vegan” capitalist industry.

        Absolutely!

        I’m happy to elaborate if you will.

        I really liked your posts so far, so I’d also gladly read your elaboration on that topic =)

    • toneverends@lemmy.mlOP
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      3 years ago

      It’s art, thus invites interpretations and provokes thought.

      Extrapolating from the 60-90% figure, if the eaters of those animals ate the soy directly (bypassing the ~10% conversion efficiency issue), 19-46% of the soy would still need to be grown, thus 19-46% of the ecological destruction would remain.

      This would be a wonderful improvement and would be of great benefit to Earth; the statement is lessened, yet remains: Consuming broadacre soy crops destroys ecosystems.

      Which returns us to the topic at hand in the c/vegan thread which inspired this meme:

      Humane… destroying of ecosystems to grow soybeans.

      – commented as an extrapolation of a series of statements exploring the absurdity of calling various animal slaughter/husbandry practices “humane”.

      • Pantherina@feddit.de
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        3 years ago

        Yeah wow. Convincing people to stop killing and eating animals is hard enough, what would be the better option? Making people kill themselves? That sounds like a practical alternativw

        • toneverends@lemmy.mlOP
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          3 years ago

          For real? Pull your head out of your vegan high-horse! Just sit in the sea of ideas for a while and listen to your own mind to see if some new thought comes along.

          For the situation of ecological destruction to grow crops, it needs more consideration if you’re vacillating between denial and universal human genocide.

          Alternatively, accept that the vegans and the carnists are sitting in the same clump on the “humane spectrum”. One doesn’t get to opt-out of moral culpability by being vegan.

          • nachtigall@feddit.de
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            3 years ago

            I am still not sure what your point is?

            We have to eat something and a vegan diet is one where we minimize land use by directly consuming the “raw” materials instead of a middle-men that introduce a significant amount of energy loss.

            It is definitely necessary to improve the way modern agriculture works. Large monocultures do not provide a healthy ecosystem and we should work on creating a diverse and vibrant ecosystem. I really liked the movie The Biggest Little Farm that showed an alternative (despite them endorsing omnivore diets).